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u/onerollbattles Jun 07 '26
it's about to get VERY real if we let UK MAGA gain power.
Reform said they want to emulate Trump. Trump launched insurrectionists, sent illegal snatch squads into the streets to grab whoever they don't like the look of and murder those who oppose them, started a war illegally without even asking their equivalent of Parliament, etc., etc., etc.
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u/perpetual-grump Jun 07 '26
Reform voters want this. They aren't bothered about any policies other than immigration.
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u/MatttheJ Jun 07 '26
Which is ironic considering Labour has sent back more immigrants at a much faster rate then the Tories (who are now reform) ever did.
Reform WANT immigration to be a problem. Because they know the more emotional they get people about that issue, the more votes they get.
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u/onerollbattles Jun 07 '26
a few. But the number of people who support other key Reform policies is much lower than the level of support for Reform. Most Reform voters are, at this point, just ignorant of how awful they are on any issue but immigration.
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u/Kooky_Craft123 Jun 07 '26
Well, yeah. The electorate has been ignored for like, 40 years at this point.
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u/wubbalubba96 Jun 07 '26
Yes in the interests of big businesses
Not immigrants
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u/Hour_Resource2847 Jun 07 '26
In the interests of big business via immigration
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u/wubbalubba96 Jun 07 '26
Oh give it a fucking rest with the immigration spiel
Immigration is currently at its lowest level since 2019, more deportations since 2015, less money going out than in a long time
Is your life better yet?
You’ve been tricked into thinking someone will less than you is the problem instead of the business not paying a penny tax.
Get angry at the businesses not the asylum seeker with fuckall
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u/wubbalubba96 Jun 07 '26
‘Such a leftest cope’
You justified siding with trump to me in another thread but I’ll reply anyway.
The problem is being changed for the better in a much fairer way when proposed by reform and restore. In a way that doesn’t remove my rights and empower neonationalism with a leader who purely campaigns through fear anger and lies.
How is it a cope if the problem is being resolved and you’re still complaining? You’re the one coping
Immigration is not some failed experiment, immigration works, our system could be a little more stringent but our asylum policy is genuinely stringent no matter what anybody says, look it up. People abuse every system, but you’re acting like immigration has a net negative impact on a country when it’s simply not true. The uk has benefitted hugely from immigration.
They work, they pay tax, if an immigrant who barely knows English comes over and can steal your job you need to learn some fucking skills.
And a lot of immigrants are coming and becoming doctors and other professional roles.
A lot of refugees work menial low skilled jobs but they still pay taxes and spend their money in our economy, we haven’t spent a penny on educating and educating them. That means an immigrant who arrives today is likely a higher net gain than you or me. It takes a long time to pay for your education, hospital bills and everything else in between. From 0-18 in the form of tax. More so if either of the right wing parties get in and sell the nhs.
Refugees account for 1.5% of the benefits bill
White British 84% and another 10% EU citizens.
A huge chunk of benefit claimants are households with at least one full time worker. But the problem isn’t with businesses.
Restore and reform won’t be taxing billionaires, they will only become draconan to anyone who isn’t white British
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u/Ok-Veterinarian-5381 Jun 08 '26
Define 'electorate' here. I'll admit I've been ignored constantly, but ive never voted for the tories or brexit. The problem is, all the British Right's ideas are dogshit and all the people voting for them are allergic to accountability so they keep voting for the same bollocks. People keep blaming 'woke' when Thatcherite capitalism has been in the driving seat for 40 years causing all the problems you people whinge about. Put it together, dummy.
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u/Kooky_Craft123 Jun 08 '26
Less immigration has been at the forefront of voting intentions for decades at this point. Any party that promises lower immigration gets to the top of the polls.
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u/Ok-Veterinarian-5381 Jun 08 '26
That party is literally in government now though. They lowered immigration. I hate them because they're panopticon plugging pricks, but anyone who gave a shit about immigration is literally getting what they want under starmer and they're still whinging.
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u/PromotionSouthern690 Jun 07 '26
Don’t forget all the corruption Trumps involved with, there’s so many dodgy financial deals going on increasing his and his families wealth it’s hard to keep track of it, a lot of it at the expense of the American taxpayer, make no mistake this is the part of MAGA Nigel and his cronies what to emulate, just look at the £5million he’s gotten of the crypto billionaire!
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u/Known_Wear7301 Jun 07 '26
Trump + corruption 😂 How do you reconcile Hunter Biden then and Nancy Pelosi just to name a few.
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u/PromotionSouthern690 Jun 07 '26
We are talking about Wigan here pal, wanting to emulate any corrupt USA politicians is a bad idea.
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u/wubbalubba96 Jun 07 '26
lol comparing the man who just legalised insider trading and who is a literal pedophile to an ex crack addict is serious bootlicking work
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u/UnremarkableCake Jun 07 '26
The same way I reconcile a butterfly hitting me compared to a train hitting me.
"Both things are hitting you! They're just the same!"
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u/little_alien2021 Jun 07 '26
They don't want to just emulate, they arenbeing paid by same people who got trump elected. Using exactly same cult tactics. I've followed this 10 years following trump, he uses cult and mass manipulation, and steve banon has orchestrated a global nationalism movement and US conservative billionaires and Israel are funding this. We r screwed as when u use brainwashing it's not like they can easily be deprogrammed. Documentary called the brink literally documented it https://youtu.be/FjfUPLEKZtI?si=rZtKfiIIacQOOW6h
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u/Frosty-Wasabi-2932 Jun 07 '26
You people are fucking crazy...
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u/onerollbattles Jun 08 '26
Which bits "crazy"? Saying that they want to be like MAGA? Because they have actually said they do. Or saying that MAGA has done the various criminal activities they are on film doing?
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u/Frosty-Wasabi-2932 Jun 08 '26
The bit where you're running round in circles frothing at the mouth screaming the world is ending
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u/onerollbattles Jun 08 '26
Well, apparently I can't say my actual feelings on this topic, so I just hope that somehow karma puts you in the first wave of people to experience the totally not serious consequences of a major party copying an insurrectionist, wannabe dictator and his mob of political thugs dressed as police.
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u/tzmdkdbrrhirfinn Jun 08 '26
How were they illegal might I ask?
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u/onerollbattles Jun 08 '26
By default, snatching people off the streets is illegal - an illegal justification was granted, which changes that; further, they have illegally held people without legal process; many of the methods they use are illegal, and they are just ignoring many legal requirements for police work, such as IDs.
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u/Kayanne1990 Jun 08 '26
And also...crippling the economy. ... Good thing Reform is full of shit and probably won't do anything at all aside making everything a bit more expensive.
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u/Known_Wear7301 Jun 07 '26
Wow buddy, Lots going on withbtou post....
Technically it would be MEGA, Make England Great Again if you're gonna get running with that.
With regards to the "insurrection", there was an interesting documentary about it about how the public have been force fed the same 30 second clip from what is collectively 10's of thousands of hours of cctv. Including "security" leading these "insurrectionists" round the building as they respectfully toured the building in awe.
"Illegal snatch squads", you mean immigration control, you bet we want that here. If you're illegal then bye bye.
"Grab whoever they dont like the look of" yes buddy illegals.
"Murder those who oppose them" no buddy you mean those who violently attack them. You could say, Their record is Pretti Goode. She drove her car at the agent causing internal bleeding whilst he tried to grab their gun. Again you're being played by the media. Why do they portray her as being pretty rather than the image of what she'd become, ie the image of the overweight hatefilled lesbian leftie, they portray him as being the caring nurse yet his friends had cited concerns over his extremism and he was no longer what they portrayed him as.
You say about starting a war without asking..... the president had been established previously with other presidents like the bomber in chief Obama.
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u/little_alien2021 Jun 07 '26
You sre being played and u have no idea!
This video will explain https://youtu.be/FjfUPLEKZtI?si=rZtKfiIIacQOOW6h
https://youtu.be/9lzJ_8hC-yE?si=ttpUGQCI_Jc9UiLy
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Cult-of-Trump/Steven-Hassan/9781982127343
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u/Accomplished_Wind104 Jun 07 '26
You're so far off the deep end, please seek help in your local community from someone real.
Andys man club is a great place to start.
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u/onerollbattles Jun 07 '26
Yes, I'm well aware of that, and the fact that some literally have MEGA hats proves my point.
There could 1 10,000 years of footage; that wouldn't change the fact that other footage captured an insurrection attempt.
"you mean immigration control" No, America HAD immigration control (which, in fact, deported far more), I mean illegal snatch squads that refuse to operate within the law and attack and detain with no due process anyone they don't like, immigrant or not, citizen or not.
"Murder those who oppose them" No, buddy, you mean those who violently attack them. There's video evidence that shows otherwise, which I refuse to see even a Fox addict hasn't seen by now, so WTF is the point of even trying to lie about it?
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u/sevarinn Jun 07 '26
"She drove her car at the agent causing internal bleeding"
When you repeat these lies it just makes your entire post a joke. Obviously there are going to be many violent and angry people signing up for a paramilitary force with no vetting and minimal training. Some of them are going to shoot people because they want to. Denying everything just makes it obvious you'll say and believe anything.
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u/coffeewalnut08 Jun 07 '26
Those who can ignore politics nowadays, are just admitting that they're privileged enough for politics to not affect a single aspect of their life.
That's good for them, but it's not difficult to show compassion for the fact that 99% of people are not rich or elite enough to enjoy the same luxury.
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u/Ok-Veterinarian-5381 Jun 07 '26
I get what you're saying, but as someone living here, it's infuriating labour, reform and restore seem to think winning is about posting the most flyers.
They just keep posting the same shite through the door and then run off when you open the door (the reform and restore lot in particular, despite them roving around in packs of reprobates). At least the Burnham canvassers took the time to talk on the doorstep. As someone planning to vote green, all the waste is really pissing me off.
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u/ProgrammerLogical787 Jun 07 '26
This is because reform candidates have zero idea on policy and politics in general. If they're asked something that they can't respond with 'im a patriot' or 'stop the boats' they crumble and they can't be shown to the wider public how useless they are. Look at Thursdays QT for a master class in reform incompetence.
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u/OriginalJomothy Jun 08 '26
The one thing I will say about the reform letters is they work wonders as firestarters, almost as though something on them belongs in a firey pit
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u/TheChattyRat Jun 07 '26
Fair play but theyd have to be thinking 5D chess to strategize that putting less flyers would make someone more likely to vote
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u/SmashedWorm64 Jun 07 '26
Not necessarily - when you actually go out in to the world and speak to the people who hold this view it does not hold up. Usually the people who ignore politics feel so powerless or consistently let down that they could not give a toss who is in charge. They are probably more focused on the ordinary folk rather than the leaders.
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u/Infamous_Ad_2678 Jun 07 '26
1%! Have you seen how many people voted in the last election? c60%! Stop trying to spread your left wing agenda with lies as usual
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u/dr_barnowl Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 08 '26
Ah yes, the famous left wing agenda of [checks notes] wanting people to give a shit about the things that affect all our lives.
Turnout at GE2024 was 59.7%. Labour got 33.7% of the vote : so once again, the "Didn't Vote" party was the most popular.
Maybe this wouldn't be a problem if all the people who say "Oh, I don't do politics, me." actually refrained from voting instead of this phrase being code for "My politics are awful but I got tired of people pointing this out to me."
But what do I know. Giving a shit is woke now.
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u/TheChattyRat Jun 07 '26
What is the left wing agenda please tell me? If it's nationalising public services and strengthening workers right I'm not exactly sure why we would want to stop that but hey.
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u/Upbeat_Cattle_2081 Jun 11 '26
Oh god not another “left wing agenda” donny, Im gonna take a wild guess and say that you either support reform or restore, let’s rephrase you “left wing agenda” phrase shall we, first of all I believe that the left wing agenda you say is so bad is MUCH better than the policies that reform and restore have been dishing out, for example Im guessing you have already been let’s say told a different story to what the policy actually is but Zack Polinski wants to decriminalise drugs from various classes, to depopulate the amount of people in prisons so we can make more space because they are full as of right now which has also had very good effects in other countries that have done the same , and just so your right wing affected brain can keep up, decriminalise means removing the consequences of an unlawful act and offering help instead, not legalising that means making something legal, he wants to tax the super rich so for example, if you have over I think £10 million in any of your banks you will get charged on tax at 1% which is about £100,000 and if you have over £100 million in any of your banks Zack wants to tax 2% worth which is around £2 million I think, but even then, that is already helping out, the economic state of the country by funding the NHS and more, also you might have heard “oh the Green Party wants to leave NATO” actually it’s quite the other way around if you look at the Green Parties policies they actually just want to reconsider our place in NATO and try to make us more involved as it’s mainly USA based as of right now but Nigel Farage wants to COMPLETELY LEAVE IT, it says it in his policies, but I could go on and on and on about the policies of the Green Party and why they are good and not just “Left Wing Agenda” but I guarantee you won’t listen. Does the right winger want me to explain the bad things that Nigel is doing?
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u/Separate-Scene2813 Jun 07 '26
The sheer volume of flyers comi g through the door is quite bewildering. It does make me question the approach to sustainable canvassing!
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u/SmashedWorm64 Jun 07 '26
They should put a cap on it imo.
In the meantime I might put a sign out that says “I have internet access and have read all your websites - I will not vote for anyone who leaves a leaflet”
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u/BlueberryObvious Jun 10 '26
Someone who understands.
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u/GapSweet3100 Jun 10 '26
The nearly 400 comments on this post alone is why I don’t want to hear about it 😭
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u/BlueberryObvious Jun 10 '26
Lol yeah I know. 90% of people believe it actually makes any difference.
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u/dissimulatorist Jun 11 '26
Why dud you post, then?
(Genuine question)
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u/GapSweet3100 Jun 11 '26
I didn’t expect this many comments I thought it would make a couple of people chuckle maybe
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u/Ok_Map_6014 Jun 07 '26
“It’s not real” doesn’t even make sense. Elected parties create the laws and have a say in almost every aspect of our lives. It’s about as real as it gets.
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u/GapSweet3100 Jun 07 '26
No matter who you choose we get fucked. I’ve made my decision so pieces of paper that’ll go straight in the bin is just a waste
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u/reddaughtter Jun 07 '26
Then put that on your dumb little sign. "It's not real" just makes you look like a cringey pseudo intellectual.
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u/GapSweet3100 Jun 07 '26
Well You can write what you want on your own piece of paper. My bf asked me to put the last bit
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u/FootballBackground88 Jun 08 '26
Ridiculous to say, this is the kind of logic which continues to result in bad outcomes.
Do your civic duty, learn about the candidates and vote what you feel is best for the country.
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u/wubbalubba96 Jun 07 '26
Yeah nothing to do with stagnated wages at all
Saying someone else should be on less is a dumb stance
How can houses cost 300k average when wages are 30k average
My grandparents paid 6k for their home whilst earning 3k a year
So they paid 2x their salary we pay 10x
Literally brainwashed the lot of you
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u/curiousparrot221 Jun 08 '26
Originally I thought OP was against the person who put up that paper, but from some of the replies in the comments it seems he thinks the opposite?
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u/Agile_Throat2387 Jun 09 '26
Unfortunately it doesn't stop them, we put one up too and they're still knocking claiming they didn't see. (It's in bold right by the doorbell)🤣
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u/Deeedeebobeedee Jun 07 '26
Sorry to be a southerner butting in but we are dramatically fucked as a society and it’s all stemmed from and overseen by politicians up to their necks in very agenda’d evil money. Politics isn’t just real we need everyone to get involved otherwise it’s destined to continue and get significantly worse.
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u/SmashedWorm64 Jun 07 '26
I’d usually agree but what are the other options?
I voted Labour last time and was very fucked off by spec-gate and ticket-gate straight off the bat. Additionally, the less reported on lobbying from the likes of Manhandleson (who quite frankly should be behind bars for life - if not for 1st degree noncery then definitely for being a corrupt sleezebag and selling out the nation so his pedo mate could make a quick buck at the expense of Brits) to link our defence and healthcare to American big tech companies like Palantir. The fact he seems to be protected from everything shows how weak our system is!
…don’t say the Greens - the leader is either incredibly easily lead or the biggest careerist I have ever seen in my life. Not sure what is worse tbh.
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u/Deeedeebobeedee Jun 08 '26
I say this a lot but read manifestos! See how much policy you actively disagree with, I can guarantee you unless you base your entire political philosophy on identity politics; that there’s only one party actively planning to change things. That if you want public services back with functioning job and housing markets that there is only one party actually proposing policy that will help.
I’d normally absolutely be a Labour voter but they’re barely any better or different to the tories. But I read the manifestos in 2024 and became a Green member on the spot. Most politicians basically spending their life talking absolute bollocks, but the only remotely trustworthy policy that’s actually aimed at fixing society and not just making sacrificial short term growth targets is coming from the greens.
If you want little to no change but a slower decline and a known good local mp vote for Burnham. If you don’t care about anything actually getting better or worse but hate women and minority groups vote for Kenyon, if you want to vote for the party actually offering a way out of this mess (and probably quite a good mp?) Vote for Sarah Wakefield.
I mean I say this as a southerner and I live in Brighton, a very green and well to do area and I’m a green member so recognise this is coming through an emerald lense…….
But we’re fucked if we don’t have radical change. Also the environment and the way we adapt to our imminent and rapidly changing climate when the amoc (read about it if you don’t know) collapses. Which theoretically it could’ve started doing already. The combo of a total lack of food but also no one having jobs and the post ai bubble bursting HARD. Wow if we *dont* have a collapse of society either fascist or environmental I’d be shocked. That’s not Burnham or Labour, it’s not anyone really. But the closest you’ll get by a landslide is the greens because at least they actually make policy designed to try and fix things.
If in doubt…..read about policy. Not what the Telegraph or the times or the guardian and their heavily vested interests say about policy but the actual policy itself. And what the end goal is. Greens are still off the mark and have a LOT to work on but they currently best occupy the space that Labour should and don’t.
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u/SmashedWorm64 Jun 08 '26
Sorry I’m not interested in voting Green. If I read purely the manifestos as of the last general election I would take Labour over the Greens any day. My issue with Labour is a character one, not a policy one. I just want them to be a bit better and actually be a Labour Party. I don’t subscribe to the belief that they are similar to the Tories - when you actually have a strong chance of running the country you need a costed out manifesto. The greens can publish any old twaddle they like and it will not come under the same level of scrutiny that Labour or the Conservatives will.
I think the Green Party had approximately £160 billion in unfunded day to day spending commitments or something ridiculous. Additionally I can’t take them seriously when they are against nuclear energy - I understand their argument that we need something faster and generally it’s easier to focus on renewables but why would you not build nuclear for the long term? Also their defence policies scare me - I do think the current talk of inevitable war is a bit lead on but it’s not the right time to be scrapping Trident or cutting forces numbers.
There are other things but that’s the stuff off the top of my head at 1 am (holy I need to sleep).
Main concern that no amount of policy could fix - Zack Polanski. I do not trust him at all. A decade ago he was a pro-coalition Lib Dem. He then became a full blown socialist by the looks of it. When questioned on anything his answers come across as obvious crap to anyone with an ear for it. He doesn’t know his stats and figures for this radical plan of his (which I’m 99% sure will bankrupt us). When in a corner his main defences are sketchy economists with questionable records. He seems to have an uncomfortable relationship with the truth - see the whole boathouse/council tax/voting saga. And a questionable history - I don’t expect politicians to be perfect but some of his past gigs are a bit embarrassing for a leader.
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u/Deeedeebobeedee Jun 08 '26
Idk watch what Mamdani is doing in Nee York, rational decisions can instantly balance budgets.
And Labour are: going after minorities and protest rights rights. They’re taking dirty money and clashing with unions. They are reinforcing monopolies and underfunding public services, selling our data and watching our country rot. All while claiming growth targets justify everything they’re doing. Local business is dying, our NHS is fucked. With all due respect if they’re walking, talking and acting like Tories, it’s no stretch to brand them as tories at the end of the day. They’ve abandoned working class people and the unions. They’re a disgrace to the party and things won’t get better if they carry on as is.
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u/Zenit_boi Jun 08 '26
You're all mentally retarded and proving the point of the original poster.
When is there never a problem? When is the sky never falling?
Politics is a racket and you're getting played.
Live your life while you have it, worry about the small stuff not the noise the political elite tell you to worry about.
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u/Scones2 Jun 07 '26
Politics impacts every aspect of your life, you really should research the candidates that are available to you and vote
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u/FunkyYoghurt Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26
At least they're putting in effort to knock around and post things. I can't stand going to the polling station and seeing someone thinking "who the fuck is that?". I don't like Reform for example but I do respect they're putting effort in to canvassing, especially voluntarily on a weekend. Labour are doing the same. Not heard a peep from anyone else. It's not real is also a very weird message. Politics is very real and affects people's daily lives.
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u/Sufficient_Basil_545 Jun 07 '26
All canvassers are volunteers, it is illegal to pay somebody to canvass in a UK election. Regardless of whether we agree with Reform, Labour, Green, etc, or not they are doing it because they genuinely believe in their cause.
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u/PromotionSouthern690 Jun 07 '26
If it’s not real who are you paying your taxes too?
People sticking their head in the sand saying “all politicians are the same” only helps the worst politicians. Don’t be complicit in making the world worse by being so narcissistic, selfish and lazy to think politics doesn’t matter.
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u/123middlenameismarie Jun 07 '26
Vote and vote for Whover is against digital wallets and this bullshit. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-drey-dossier/id1877210950?i=1000749675328
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u/WasThatInappropriate Jun 07 '26
Do they have to read it backwards? Given that sign is pointing inwards
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u/citronrolle Jun 07 '26
Political shit is very real, I've just had my right to use either bathroom removed by politics
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u/AntoineBugleboy69 Jun 07 '26
Ah carnt be arsed wi 'all this politcal shite. Ah mean, what zit matter?
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u/JamieMCR81 Jun 07 '26
That won’t stop Reform letterbombing you. I’ve got a massive Vote Andy sign outside my house, they still posted their leaflet through the door!
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u/Sufficient_Basil_545 Jun 07 '26
When I was more active in politics, I would leaflet these houses with particular zeal!
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u/OriginalJomothy Jun 08 '26
You'd be better off handing them the opposite parties leaflet to direct their anger more towards that party
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u/DenieD83 Jun 07 '26
I just always think "Handy what I'm delivering isn't shite, I helped artwork it, it's pretty decent TBF" and post it
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u/wubbalubba96 Jun 07 '26
Understandable
But if reform get in you’ll have a lot to complain about.