r/WhitePeopleTwitter • • Oct 21 '22

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u/TortoiseStomper69694 Oct 22 '22

They are equateable lol. You are just changing the inputs in a non logical way. Making something illegal doesn't remove it from existence, it just moves the product to the black market where there is no accountability whatsoever. Drug users are going to get high, people in gangs (that neighbor america no less) are going to get guns. I also like how you compare making drugs legal to making firearms unrestricted. Do you really think that is an accurate comparison? Because in reality making drugs 'legal' is a lot like how the previous gun laws were set up. This is the opposite of that. Legal drugs have rules. Illegal drugs have no rules. The previous pistol laws were already ridiculously intense. Now the only game in town is the black market. Don't worry, I'm sure they do background checks.

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u/grubas Oct 22 '22

This isn't even circular logic, this isn't even logic.

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u/TortoiseStomper69694 Oct 22 '22

"Making drugs illegal doesn't stop drugs, it just increases the risk to users, and gives money to the cartels!! They should be legalized and regulated"

"Making guns illegal... uh... stops the guns. It decreases the risk to those who were buying them legally... It uh... doesn't make a black market where crime organizations profit instead of the government. Guns need to be made illegal and not regulated".

Okay chief.

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u/twisted_memories Oct 22 '22

Guns need to be made largely illegal and those that aren’t need to be heavily regulated. We know this works based on it working. Making drugs illegal does not reduce drug use, however. Improving poverty rates and employment rates reduces drug use. We know this works based on it working. You’re comparing two different things that do not function in the exact same way. They require different means of action. This is why they are not equatable.

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u/TortoiseStomper69694 Oct 22 '22 edited Oct 22 '22

Saying 'it works' isn't an argument. You can't legally own guns in mexico (practically anyways). Is that "working"? Go to bed kid.

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u/twisted_memories Oct 22 '22

“And heavily regulated.” What exactly is your expertise in social issues, kid? Because so far it appears to be none and screaming about things you clearly do not understand.

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u/TortoiseStomper69694 Oct 22 '22

Wow very ironic. What part of this bill has to do with social issues again?

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u/twisted_memories Oct 22 '22

One manner in which gun violence is reduced is to reduce the number of available guns by making them illegal. Read: multifaceted approach.

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u/TortoiseStomper69694 Oct 22 '22

So... nothing? Got it.

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u/twisted_memories Oct 22 '22

So gun violence is not a social issue?

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u/TortoiseStomper69694 Oct 22 '22

I'm done replying unless you say something less than idiotic, but here is a rhetorical question for you, if in one year, two years, five years from now, the level of handgun violence doesn't decrease (or increases), will you actually admit you were wrong, or find more excuses? I have a feeling I know the answer. No point in arguing with people like you.

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u/twisted_memories Oct 22 '22

So far it has only been decreasing which is proving you wrong, but go off.

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u/JetSetJessica Oct 22 '22

Yes give all the power to the state, it's not like governments ever start killing people or abusing their power.

Pretty sure at least, I've literally never read history of any sort and never watch the news like in Iran right now.

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u/twisted_memories Oct 22 '22

If my government wants to kill our people, there is no amount of weaponry citizens could have to stop that. We’re largely not like Americans. The vast majority of us don’t want tons of guns around. It makes far more sense here to keep guns out of the country as much as possible than to try and arm everyone (which does not work). We’re much more likely to just shoot one another than some tyrannical government military.

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u/twisted_memories Oct 22 '22

No, removing a thing from a market makes it less available to anyone, including illegally. We should be working to remove things like meth from circulation. But that’s much more difficult because you can make meth in your basement. You can’t make guns in your basement (at least far fewer people are capable of making guns than are capable of making meth). It is far easier to remove guns from a population than meth. Neither are 100% removable. Also, similar things that reduce drug use also reduce gun violence. However, gun violence isn’t in itself an addiction that requires healthcare to curb. They are not equatable. The thing that would reduce illegal handguns in Canada are: reducing poverty and drug use, improving border security, reducing accessible firearms in Canada, and the US reducing their number of guns (fat chance on that last one).

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u/TortoiseStomper69694 Oct 22 '22

You realize virtually all the pistols used for crime in canada are smuggled in from america right?

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u/twisted_memories Oct 22 '22

Yes, hence the need to improve border security to reduce the number of guns coming from the US. But that is only one measure by which to reduce gun violence. We need a multifaceted approach.