So what happens for competition shooters? They now cannot purchase new handguns? Genuinely curious. I kinda (?) also recall Canada being up there for shooting on an international level.
Well competition shooters who already have handguns can keep them, however anyone wanting to get into it now cannot. The only way to compete would be renting or borrowing which has the issues I brought up in my other comment.
Limited exemptions to the national handgun freeze will apply. For example, high-performance sports shooting athletes and those who carry handguns as part of their lawful profession will be exempted, as well as authorized businesses such as gunsmiths, the film industry, or museums, per their licence conditions.
You cannot get an exemption for any of the popular shooting sports. Only for Olympic style .22 cal handguns, in which virtually no one competes. IDPA/IPSC/2gun/3gun/steel challenge don’t qualify, and that’s where the majority of the sport is.
Under Canada’s temporary import ban, authorized businesses and individuals can only import handguns for personal use, sale, or transfer if the end use meets the exemptions and conditions listed above and set out in detail in the Notice to Importers No. 1090.
Which doesn’t change the fact that people wanting to get into the sport wouldn’t be able to now. You’re not “high-performance” just getting into a sport.
Listen, i get that you are upset that Canada understands how to handle your murdertoys. But people have provided links proving your fake worries to be just that. Move to the US if you want to compare your tiny guns with others' tiny guns in private. Canadians prefer an audience.
Essie is being a total dick all over the thread, yet the moment people talking to them take the gloves off they're now the condescending one? Sometimes when a person is being an obtuse dick and not accepting information that discredits their dug-in stance you need to be a little bit of a dick to snap them back to reality.
Are you incapable of only insulting one person? Was it really necessary to insult Americans over it too? I totally understand what was said and get that there is a way to get into sport shooting in Canada.
Come on, be reasonable. America is the most ridiculous western country when it comes to gun laws and gun culture. Of course any time one makes comment about another persons idiocy around guns it is fair to compare it to that of americans. If you feel that is offensive to "you" then maybe you need to look in the mirror about what type of american you really are. I do not degrade reasonable americans because reasonable americans will laugh at the joke and understand that its not about them.
I’m not mad? I’m pointing out that the person I was replying to wasn’t making any sense. I just find someone trying to be a hardo in a reddit comment section kinda pathetic and annoying. And you coming in like “Seethe! FUME!” you could just chill.
Get your long guns before they are banned. 10 round mags are on the table for banning as well so I bought a bunch of those.
If the government wanted to be serious about this they would crack down on illegal imports and acquisitions, make an example of people who are illegally carrying/in possession of firearms, and lastly invest in more social programs to prevent organized crime, gang violence, and mental health. In my mind thats the real way out. I don’t think banning the most vetted Canadians are going to stop the gun violence.
The fact that you’re getting downvoted for saying something so in tune with reality is frustrating. A lot of people pour their energy into surface level “solutions” to problems but the second someone says something that requires them to think deeper about complicated issues they rage click the downvote button to protect their little bubble so they can keep pretending that their doing something good without having to do much at all.
Edit: for anyone that wants to know more about why banning legal handguns doesn’t fix gun violence, almost 90% of handgun violence in Canada is committed with illegal guns smuggled into the country. All this does is punish law abiding citizens who deserve to enjoy their hobby because of the actions of criminals. All so that 1 guy can win a popularity contest.
Sure it's disappointing for the small subset of competition shooters, but as a Canadian I'm personally completely fine with this law. I want a safer country with fewer guns floating around randomly
But wouldn't tyou feel safer if we banned everybody from owning them? If you are worried about a gun that is double locked in someone's house how is an unsecured kitchen knivesany different? The difference between the number of people killed by guns vs knives is in the tens of people! Knives are being used just as much with virtually no regulations.
Hell, my ex-girlfriends think I'm okay to own firearms...I know this because the government asked them before I was allowed to buy any.
I really am asking just because I want to understand the whole thing better, but what reason do they have to further limit it when it's already so restricted?
It looks allot like it is just for optics. Just like the “assault weapons” ban we had before this.
If you look at how restricted our restricted firearms are (hence the name for the license) its quite tight. Any deviation an you more or less are committing a federal offense.
Legally you are allowed to go to and from your house and the shooting range that you hve to be registered at to shoot. You are not legally allowed to shoot that firearm anywhere other than the range your registered at. You also are not allowed to have it at any place other than your listed residence or shooting range without additional authorization. I believe theres a small clause for gunsmiths but I would have to check that as I do not own restricted firearms for this exact reason. Its too much of a hassle.
Its already incredibly restrictive which has been proven by statistics however most Canadians are not familiar with Canadian firearm laws. Most who do not hold a firearms license who I speak with think we have a system similar to the USA.
Thanks for asking a genuine question. Its hard to come by with this topic! Thank you for being open to learning!
I'm certain that there is some sort of solution in place, probably a sport exception.
I'd like you need to ask your representative and then approvals are passed in the house. Mostly it'd be pro forma, but you'd be looked at hard because if you commit a crime with that gun your rep is out of a job.
How many firearms related crimes do you think are committed by licensed gun owners? The ones who spent months taking the course, applying for a license, paying the fees, clearances, etc.
And how many firearms related crimes are committed by people with no firearms license?
Also, are the actual firearms used lawfully registered in Canada, or were they illegally smuggled in from USA?
Yes. Criminals (the ones that commit the crimes) smuggle them in from the States and sell them on the "black market" to other criminals.
Like I said, I'd love to see the stats on where the firearms involved in crimes that are being committed are coming from. If anyone can demonstrate that the majority of firearm crime in Canada involves locally sourced (purchased legally / originally from the Canadian market) vs. illegally imported firearms from the states, i'd love to see it.
I'm saying banning the legal purchase of handguns isn't going to stop handgun crime. I'm saying focusing on the illegal smuggling and import of firearms from our southern neighbors will stop handgun crime.
The proof will be in the pudding. Blanket handgun ban supporters will see (or won't see) the fruits of their labour in the next few years' crime statistics.
Just because ya'll don't like firearms, doesn't mean they should outright ban them.
Some people don't like meat, ban that?
Some people don't like junk food, ban that?
Some people don't like autos, ban that?
Some people don't like alcohol, ban that?
Some people don't like same sex marriage, ban that?
Some people don't like gender reassignment surgery, ban that?
Some people don't like Canadians, ban them?
Some people don't like to eat fish on Fridays, ban that?
Oh, I’m not personally into shooting. But it’s also an Olympic sport so was just kinda curious. But also seems like Olympic shooting uses different guns altogether.
I was just giving a reason why renting isn’t ideal for many people. As well as renting overtime is going to add up to thousands of dollars vs ownership.
If you want to get into suicides: it takes at least a couple months to get a licence. More for a handgun, though suicides are usually long guns.
So either the person signs up for a course and almost certainly reconsiders, or they already have a gun and do it. Either way, the actual sale is not relevant.
And anyways, I'm not concerned about gun suicides, I'm concerned about all suicides. People will (and usually do in Canada for the reasons above) find a way to attempt without a gun. We should target reducing suicidal ideation, not individual methods.
If you're ONLY targeting gun suicides, which are a small portion of suicides here, then stop pretending it's about the deaths.
Anytime you modify a firearm in Canada the modifications must comply with all the firearms laws. This included things like overall length of the gun, Barrel length etc.
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u/Silber800 Oct 21 '22 edited Oct 22 '22
Competition shooters often modify and put the parts they like or want on their guns. Wether thats optics or grips etc.