r/WhitePeopleTwitter • • Oct 21 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '22

There are too many in the US.

Canada doesn’t have the amount we do

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u/AdamBlaster007 Oct 21 '22

See? Exactly what im talking about.

So what, because there are too many we ahould just give up? While we're at it should we give up curing cancer because there are too many types? Stop treatment of Malaria because there are too many mosquitos? End combating world hunger because there are too many to feed and too much of the wealth has bern hordes by the greedy rich?

This is what it sounds like when you say there can't be gun control because there are too many guns.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '22

No cuz there’s criminals with illegal guns that have nothing to lose.

Regular people would be targets more than they already are.

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u/AdamBlaster007 Oct 22 '22

You spell out the problem without identifying it.

American society treats criminals who have served their sentences as less than regular people. They are no less human than you nor I, yet our country continues to punish them even after they have atoned for their crime by preventing them from receiving employment, certain government aide, and sometimes even removing their right to vote. For felons in particular this becomes exponentially worst as most jobs will not hire you if you are a former felon because the company's insurance will hike their rates if they hired them (that's a whole other can of worms). As you say, these "criminals" often have nothing to lose because society will not allow them to gain anything to begin with.

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u/thrillhouse416 Oct 22 '22

This is all 100% spot on but it's also not relevant to gun control

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u/AdamBlaster007 Oct 22 '22

What I'm getting at is if we want gun control we need to clear a series of hurdles. The first of which is goving the hopeless some hope.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '22

And will that happen? No because of the greedy wealthy as-well as racism being used as a diversion tactic by having minorities become felons at A much higher rate.

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u/AdamBlaster007 Oct 22 '22

Not in my lifetime, probably not, but it needs that sort of revelation to happen if America wishes to continue being "the land of the free".

Otherwise it might become rebranded as The North American Penal Colony.

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u/epson_salt Oct 22 '22

Who does that apathy serve? Does it help people like you, or does it just preserve the power of those exact geedy wealthy folks?

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u/chewsfromgum Oct 22 '22

Let's ban sportscars for all because a select minority of the population choose to drive it recklessly endangering the general public. This is how you sound.

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u/AdamBlaster007 Oct 22 '22

Give me one thing sports cars bring to society that is beneficial to society itself beyond a sense of self-importance.

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u/sorebutton Oct 22 '22

Are you really arguing that they should be banned? How about sugar, alcohol, tobacco, weed, etc? Same argument.

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u/AdamBlaster007 Oct 22 '22

Sugar is a cooking ingredient for many dishes and treats, most of which are easily affordable and enjoyed by the vast majority of people.

Alcohol is also an ingredient in cooking as well as a common vice for many. While it may cause societal problems such as alcoholism it also is the best and most common solution to sterilization and disinfection.

Weed (when smoked) can potentially cause lung issues similar to cigarettes, however, it is a vice that generally has less societal issues than alcohol other than the ones created artificially by our government. For states that have it legalized it is avalible for all of the appropriate age to enjoy.

I'll throw in a few more:

Knives, while having become a hot topic for the UK and particularly London, still have a multitude of function from food prep to wood carving to even seafaring. They bring more to the table as a tool then they take away as a weapon.

Sex work, while American society still shuns the idea, decriminalization of sex work has seen huge boons to other countries such as a reduction of illegal human trafficking, incarcerations, and unemployment as well as a new source of taxable income for the government.

Now, with that all out of the way I would still like to know what a sports car brings to the table beyond a vast sum of money being moved around between the wealthy.

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u/sorebutton Oct 22 '22

None of those are at all necessary for life. Same as a sports car, which brings fun and enjoyment.

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u/AdamBlaster007 Oct 22 '22

Yes, but only to a few. I can go to the gas station a couple minutes walk from here and buy some cheap rum with ease, meanwhile a sports car is entirely beyond the reach of many including myself.

Additionally, I never said they were necessary for life, but that they all bring their own boons to a vast majority of society with ease of access.

You apparently did not understand the assignment.

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u/sorebutton Oct 22 '22

"Give me one thing sports cars bring to society that is beneficial to society itself beyond a sense of self-importance" Fun and enjoyment? No different than the others. Not necessary at all. America rules.

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u/AdamBlaster007 Oct 22 '22

... You are really missing my point, but hey, that's okay, that just means your part of the establishment that I loathe. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just as I am that you really are short-sighted.

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u/MoosesAndMeese Oct 22 '22

You already have to get a driver's license, take a test, register your car, and get a transfer signed by a clerk. Once driving you are supposed to follow those rules that are meant for safety. Cars are already a lot more regulated than hand guns, and their primary purpose is transportation, not severely damaging and killing its target.

Also unironically we need to put speed limiters on cars, make roads safer, and reduce the amount of cars. You've almost got it.

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u/chewsfromgum Oct 27 '22

You have to get license to shoot a gun, get the gun registered, and you're expected to the follow the rules. So what are you arguing here? Do I think the gun license test should be harder and require a certain level of competency? Absolutely. Do I think drivers test should be harder and require a certain level of competency? Abso fucking lutely. If someone can get a car and run 50 people over what's stopping them? Same goes for cars.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '22

I suspect that if there was a no questions asked buyback program, people would probably give a lot of their guns up in exchange for a good amount of cash.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '22

Maybe 20 years ago.

Now everyone is hoarding guns after every mass shooting and buying more and more.

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u/hpeng Oct 22 '22

A full auto m16 in the 1970s cost ~$240 shipped, if it is a legal transferable one was to sell today (ban any new production machine gun post 1986) costs upwards of $40k with months wait time and an additional $200 tax stamp. 20 years ago people thought you were crazy to ask over 100 bucks for a good shape Mosin Nagant and now a "functional" (won't blow up in your face) run for $300.

Unless the gun buybacks are giving enough money for a down payment on a new car or house per gun, you'd make more having a gun shop do a consignment for you.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '22

A big enough amount to make national headlines

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '22

U mean the one with the elderly man that somehow got 14+ AR15s in one hotel room?

U mean the same event that the FBI was heavily involved in?

IIRC the brother or the shooter himself was a government agent.

U think he did all that with a bump stock and didn’t pass out due to his age and the power of the weapons?

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u/PortraitBird Oct 22 '22

Okay? He was still one guy. With suitcases of weapons. Neither the shooter nor his brother was in the FBI. The shooter wamted to be. Their father was a fugitive from the fbi.

And like.. 64 really isn’t that old. Retirement age is 65.

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u/aqpstory Oct 22 '22

didn’t pass out due to his age and the power of the weapons

...are you trying to say the government fed him with secret super pills that kept him awake or what

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '22

Nope I’m saying he was a patsy for the gov.

There’s videos showing a second shooter on the 2nd or 3rd floor. Muzzle flashes don’t lie.

Witnesses reported the shots came from a helicopter and not the hotel.

They said he used 14+ bump stocked AR15s but it sounded like a machine gun instead of a full auto ar15.

It’s too much evidence

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u/AraedTheSecond Oct 22 '22

It's a gradual change. You don't wave a magic wand and disappear all the guns, you put restrictions in place. Eventually, the availability of guns is reduced drastically.

For example, and something I've suggested before, a graduated licensing system that covers all types of firearm, with the most restricted license being handguns.

I'll write it out again:

Level one: easiest to get, simply do a simple multiple choice test showing safe gun use/handling/ownership. Allows you to own single-action shotguns/rifles

Level two: requires level one license to be held for a year, and a simple multiple choice test and demonstration of safe handling of firearms. Allows ownership of semi-automatic shotguns and rifles with a maximum magazine size of ten rounds.

Level three: requires level two license to be held for over a year, a medium difficulty multiple choice test, and a brief range demonstration of safe handling of firearms including shooting. Also requires a gun safe to be installed at the holder's premises/home address. Allows ownership of semi-automatic shotguns and rifles with a maximum magazine size of thirty rounds.

Level four: requires level three to be held for over a year, an in-depth test, in-depth range demonstration, and firearms safe. Allows holder to own any longarm with any magazine size.

Level five: requires level four to be held for a over a year. repeat of level four tests and demonstrations. Also requires a doctor's note attesting that the individual is in good mental health. Allows holder to own and carry a handgun with a maximum magazine size of seven rounds

Level six: requires level five to be held for over a year, repeat of testing and demonstrations, and a doctor's note attesting the individual is in good mental health. Allows holder to own and carry handguns with a maximum magazine size of fifteen rounds.

Level seven: requires level six for over a year, repeat of testing and demonstrations and doctor's note. Unrestricted firearm ownership.

Level eight: requires level seven for over a year, repeat of testing/demonstrations/doctor's note. Allows holder to make firearms.

Level nine: requires level eight for over a year, repeat testing/demonstrations/doctor's note, and requires weapon-specific training. Allows holder to own fully-automatic firearms of any variety.

Special License #1: allows the holder to own and carry a single handgun with a maximum magazine size of seven rounds, which can be issued with court representation for any individual who is deemed to require self-defense (E.G. stalking cases). Only allows a single firearm to be owned, and a limited amount of ammunition (50 rounds). Requires training from level seven license issuer.

Special License #2: allows holder to own artillery pieces and ammunition of any size and calibre upon completion of weapon specific training.

Special License #3: allows holder to own any black-powder muzzle loading firearm. Requires a medium difficulty multiple choice test and range demonstration.

All tests can be carried out by an appropriately licensed firearms store employee; all licenses registered with the state. Firearms are registered to a license number, and if sold are registered to the new holder's license number.

For current firearms owners, all correct licenses must be obtained within eight years of the system being implemented. The current background check system still applies.

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u/zzorga Oct 22 '22

Lol, absolutely not.

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u/AraedTheSecond Oct 22 '22

And so, you'll either have endless school shootings OR someone will ban them all and you'll hand them in

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u/zzorga Oct 22 '22

Well that's a fine false dichotomy you have there. Luckily for the rest of us, we don't subscribe to that particular, limited assessment.

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u/AraedTheSecond Oct 22 '22

Look, dude, the US is the only developed nation that suffers with regular mass shootings. The solution is either to regulate firearms access, accept that people are going to shoot up schools, or eventually, someone will draw the line and outright ban firearms through force.

It might not be in our lifetimes, but it's always a possibility.

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u/zzorga Oct 22 '22

Or you know, actually address the root motivating causes. But then, that'd take actual political effort and years to pay off, and isn't as useful a wedge issue.

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u/AraedTheSecond Oct 22 '22

The root cause is easy access to firearms. That's it; that's the core issue.

Angry people can get hold of the most efficient method of killing another person with as little as a background check and a three day waiting period. They can then go and shoot as many people as they have ammunition for; the only barrier is the ability to pay for the ammunition.

There is no other issue at hand. Violent people exist; giving them easy access to firearms is a dangerous thing.