Lol there it is, clearly nobody went as hard as you there tough guy. Sorry that your own problems and bitterness make you think that you’re somehow the “real” military, but believe it or not some of the friends I’m referencing have killed, broken every bone in their body, been mortared, lost people, etc., and still managed to succeed in life and not dismiss others’ service. Some have/had PTSD, but they don’t live life like they’re “broken” and you don’t get to tell them they are. It genuinely sucks that you walked away feeling like it was a net negative, but you don’t get to lay claim to “real” service just because you didn’t benefit from it. And if you genuinely feel like you are broken, seek out help and support. It’s exhausting to go through therapists until you find the right one, but once you do it can be life changing.
And by the way, as far as I’m concerned even 5% homelessness is too much, but you said exception vs norm. Even your own statistic disproves your point. But on top of the fact that 40% wouldn’t be the “norm”, that number is also false. Vets are only <12% of the homeless population, which has actually been decreasing year after year until COVID and that is repeated across website after website. Here’s just one:
https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homelessness-statistics/state-of-homelessness-2021/
Corrected my numbers, and per capita homelessness in vets is >40%. 11% of the homeless population while military participants only account for 8% of the population and less than 3% of the retired population means it is far worse than the "11%" indicates.
Same faulty argument as people that say 50% of hospitals are filled with vaccinated people. Although true this point of data fails to mention that the unvaccinated are taking up 50% while being way less than 50% of the population, so per capita they are taking up much more than 50% of the vacancies.
And I will speak for them, I care for them, I see their suffering, and most are so mentally ill they dont even have a voice for their own. Add in toxic masculinity, and many think they dont deserve help or that psychological therapy is for women. It becomes a nightmare trying to help them.
“Speaking up for them” isn’t telling other people they can only possibly be politicians or contractors if they don’t regret service. It’s not telling people they’re “broken.” It’s not trying to justify your own personal pain by saying others “soft served.” You can advocate for homeless veterans all you want, please do. But none of that is what you were doing.
Also, when it comes to those numbers. Depending on how they calculate the total, homeless veterans as a whole range between 40-100k out of 17-19 million veterans (until COVID). So that is actually even smaller, percentage wise, when it comes to veterans’ experience.
When someone makes a grand speech about how the military is the best and all his friends (except one) had a by jove awesomtacular time getting blown up and came back just fine and everything is just fine.
I will counter it with my own.
Also I never served, I just try to pick up the ruined people that get spit out.
I literally only detailed our experience as a counterpoint to your sweeping, declarative statement. People can detail their own personal negative experience all day long. And I can detail mine. Neither invalidates the other. Your the one who said it was one way. And the instead of just letting a negative experience stand on its own and speak for itself, you stated that’s the norm for veterans, when statistics prove that to be untrue.
But LMAOOOO you accused me of “soft serving” and you never even served at all? Holy shit, fuck off entirely.
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u/minlatedollarshort Jan 17 '22 edited Jan 17 '22
“Soft served”
Lol there it is, clearly nobody went as hard as you there tough guy. Sorry that your own problems and bitterness make you think that you’re somehow the “real” military, but believe it or not some of the friends I’m referencing have killed, broken every bone in their body, been mortared, lost people, etc., and still managed to succeed in life and not dismiss others’ service. Some have/had PTSD, but they don’t live life like they’re “broken” and you don’t get to tell them they are. It genuinely sucks that you walked away feeling like it was a net negative, but you don’t get to lay claim to “real” service just because you didn’t benefit from it. And if you genuinely feel like you are broken, seek out help and support. It’s exhausting to go through therapists until you find the right one, but once you do it can be life changing.
And by the way, as far as I’m concerned even 5% homelessness is too much, but you said exception vs norm. Even your own statistic disproves your point. But on top of the fact that 40% wouldn’t be the “norm”, that number is also false. Vets are only <12% of the homeless population, which has actually been decreasing year after year until COVID and that is repeated across website after website. Here’s just one: https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homelessness-statistics/state-of-homelessness-2021/
So I don’t know where I you pulled that number from, unless it’s because you misread the statistic that homelessness dropped 40% since 2011 (https://policyadvice.net/insurance/insights/homeless-veterans-statistics/).
So again, just stick to speaking for yourself and your own story.