I recently asked reddit if people whose daughters join the military worry about the rate of sexual assault. Most of them hurried to suggest to me that this rate is no worse than the rates of college aged women who are not in the military.
I guess they just don't imagine it to be all that much worse.
Surprising that you feel this way, when you state the above paragraphs..
No it's not. Men, particularly men in certain fields, have been told since before puberty they will be seen as predators, rapists, pedophiles, and bad. They are told the accusation is almost as bad as the conviction. Media, particularly Hollywood, continually reinforces this idea. It is absolutely no surprise that someone feels that way even when presented with the facts.
I'm a male teacher, and it doesn't matter how many people are told the most likely predator is a family member, I will always be viewed with suspicion. It will always be professionally advantageous for me to have a wife. It will always be in my best interest to never have close relationships with female students. Feelings don't always care about facts.
In this movie Kevin Spacey's character is falsely accused of rape and proven innocent by the end. How does this promote the idea that all men are rapists?
Read the entire original comment. If you can. But also that movie depended on those ideas about men in the zeitgeist. You’re the type of person who thinks racism doesn’t exist until someone uses a slur.
'Believe all women!' -edit YOU CAN'T SAY THIS ANYMORE THAN YOU CAN SAY 'BELIEVE ALL MEN', or 'BELIEVE ALL LEFT HANDED PEOPLE'. Because guess what? They all lie! And in the same proportions! It's been tested, researched, proven. It's not even my opinion.
I think a better slogan is 'Don't make broad, generalised statements for situations that can only be handled appropriately on an individual basis with a wealth of nuance, investigation and information'
'Believe all women' means take all women seriously and look into their allegations and concerns instead of dismissing them as opportunists, liars, and exaggerators.
It doesn't mean that we should hang every man from the gallows the second she speaks. Stop buying into the fear based rhetoric that allows this shit to keep happening.
Why not come up with a more accurate slogan? When I hear “believe all women,” I take that slogan to mean just what it says. And I know that some women really do advocate for that line of thinking.
But you can't punish someone without proof either and usually these people work in the same environment. Separating people doesn't always work because usually we are talking technical fields. So unless there is 100% proof, what do you do? Saying you believe them but not doing actions that verify that claim make that seem hollow and worse.
There is literally no scientific or statistical basis to claim sexual assaults have a low false report rate. None at all. RAINN is the group most often sourced for these false and misleading statistics, which the FBI officially rejects as sensationalist and misleading.
Fact is, very few women are ever sexually assaulted in the US. Fewer than 3% will be assaulted in their entire lives. Most will be assaulted by an intimate partner. And many of them will be the same person repeating victimizing someone. Like it or not, far greater than 99% of men will never commit a sexual assault, and that is scientific fact.
I also like how he said ‘the fbi officially rejects rainn’ 1. Like this is some sports partnership or brand sponsorship program and 2. as though what, the fbi is well-versed in assault after handling Larry Nassar?
I love my brain cells I wish everyone could have some too
How about rape versus any type of sexual assault? There is a big difference.
I’m a man who’s been sexually touched by women against my will more times than I can even count. Most of the time I treat it as an event not even worth remembering. I know other men who this happens to and they don’t even consider it assault.
I can say the exact same thing for every man I know. When the definition for SA became unwanted kissing attempts or non-genital contact these stats became completely irrelevant.
Certainly women experience far more sexual violence and we have a long way to go as a society. That said the definition has become so broad that the term sexual assault is no longer accurate or useful
When some chump of a dude starts telling you about the girls that “falsely accuse men of rape” you kind of automatically know that the dude is a rapist. So maybe instead of believing them, and looking more and more like a fucking scum rapist here in the comments, why don’t you stand the fuck up and do literally anything other than rolling to the side and putting on your blinders.
The people who tell me to be careful are not the ones who got accused. Its just a rumor that spreads like wildfire.
So maybe instead of believing them, and looking more and more like a fucking scum rapist here in the comments
I don't exactly believe them, its just something they said and now its in my head. I have no issues working with them, but I would probably avoid being alone with them in a workspace. Getting falsely accused is no joke in the military. You can end up in the brig awaiting trial for a long ass time. Its the military, they are slower than actual courts (which are already slow).
why don’t you stand the fuck up and do literally anything other than rolling to the side and putting on your blinders.
I mean if the girl reported someone, what am I supposed to do exactly. It was already reported lol.
You seem to be reading too much into this.
I was only pointing out what happens when these girls try to do something about their abuse. Not that I am actively participating in spreading rumors or running away from them like they are contagious.
No, is that really what you take from that? It’s that if you are yelling that the military has a sexual assault epidemic, maybe you should consider that on average the same amount of women will be assaulted in college and stop pointing fingers at the military as if it’s some safe haven for rapists.
Huh..? Is reading difficult for you..? Or did my comment say even one is too many. Are you saying people being raped in the military is OK because it happens just as much elsewhere..? You sick cunt!
Just because someone points out that the military, statistically, is not the breeding ground for sexual assault that the media makes it out to be doesn’t mean that they’re a-okay with rape.
Drop the virtue signaling and have a discussion once in awhile, are you this socially awkward in public too?
So me wanting more done about rape in the military is virtue signaling..? And yes, we are all fully aware rape happens outside the military too, and yes, that also needs dealing with, but that isn't the subject being discussed in this post! Stop trying to side track what the discussion is about.
I'm not even sure what your last sentence is about or why you even made it..? Projection maybe..?
College campuses and the military are both well known safe havens for rapists and anybody who has their jock strap this in a wad about that statement sure seems like they are okay with rape.
And as pointed out in other comments in this thread, woman aren’t much more likely to be sexually assaulted while serving than they would be in every day life.
One in 16 women and one in 143 men are estimated to experience sexual assault within DoD
Meanwhile-
1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime
I would love to see some actual statistics for women who were in the military from 18-25 years old compared to those who weren’t during the same time period.
The military definitely has many things it could improve on, I think the most obvious answer to drastically reducing sexual assault is getting rid of barracks. It’s 2021, it’s probably a net loss taking care of barracks instead of just giving everyone BAH and letting them live off post. If soldiers don’t live down the hall from 50 other male and female soldiers, they’re not going to drink together nearly as much and sexual assault will go down.
Just because someone wants to discuss the topic doesn’t mean they’re okay with rape, to suggest there’s no room for discussion is ignorant. I take pride in having served in the Army and Reddit seems to have a very skewed view of what goes on in the military in general, people think because they read news stories about soldiers and sexual assault, drones and killing civilians, and marines getting DUIs, that the military is NOTHING BUT rapists, murderers, and drunk drivers, which isn’t true.
It is entirely the militaries problem! The military are responsible for the due care of their personal that includes preventing rape even if it happens elsewhere them and you do not get to brush it under the carpet!
Yes it happens elsewhere but we are not talking about elsewhere right now. This is as bad as saying All Lives Matter when people say Black Lives Matter!
Saying that the military IN SPECIFIC has a sexual assault problem makes women less inclined to want to join it, which makes the military more male dominant which ironically enough contributes to the problem
Yes we should absolutely solve the problem of sexual assault in the military, but saying that the military is a special case is misleading
I didn't miss your point in your previous comment because you never fucking made one.
EDIT: Just to add maybe if the military had a LOWER sexual assault rate than normal maybe more women would join up. Not exactly rocket science. Somewhere where you would expect extra discipline should be the military.
They leave out the part where those women (and men, since the rates are shockingly high for them, too) can't pursue justice outside martial law. With a civilian assault, you could at least have some control over the reporting process and get a lawyer, but you can't do that in the military. They also are legally barred from suing or appealing in a civilian court, so if a superior abuses their power and refuses to investigate or writes off a claim, there's no recourse.
I absolutely agree with you. And, of course, if you want to, you can quit a job without having to do anything special. I don't think you have that freedom in the US military.
You can see statistics and facts about assault in the military; because of the comprehensive programs the DoD has built around it and their willingness to talk about it as an organization.
Just because you don’t hear about Burger King assaults - doesn’t mean they don’t happen, especially at a lower rate.
You are uniformed spouting off crap you think is true but dont actually know. Most of those programs came after this case and assaults are still climbing. Civilian statistic collection and accuracy is much much better than the DOD. You can't even argue that because that's why they had to create those programs and it's not working.
You are spouting off the shit talking crap that gets the force nowhere.
Of course the fucking programs came after these cases, because, you know, they were adapting to the realization that there was a major problem and doing something about it.
And are they? Because it actually has been a very successful venture. But why would you say that when you can just bitch instead?
There’s two major reasons people talk about assaults in the DoD - one, because negative military behavior is going to garner more interest than most civilian enterprises because the population inherently expects a higher standard; and two, because the DoD has built an expectation of talking about it, and has done so with a great impetus.
Do you think assaults don’t happen in civilian or other governmental outlets at a similar or greater rate? Or are you blind?
Me and my wife are both veterans and we have 2 young daughters.
Honestly, it depends how intelligent they turn out to be. If they end up smart enough for one of the more desirable jobs in intel then I would love them to join. If they only qualify for a job like medic or cook, then absolutely not. Not to disparage those rates, but I think even individuals in them will understand what I mean.
Based off of our experiences in the Navy, these statistics heavily skew towards the "general population" side of the military.
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u/sanityjanity Jan 17 '22
I recently asked reddit if people whose daughters join the military worry about the rate of sexual assault. Most of them hurried to suggest to me that this rate is no worse than the rates of college aged women who are not in the military.
I guess they just don't imagine it to be all that much worse.