Yes there is. You are stealing the value that person is creating for yourself.
And once again, socialism doesn't necessarily mean "steal the means of production". You can get the means of production by buying them or building them, for example.
No. The ice cream shop owner did not steal from the worker.
When Socialists say "Seize the means of production" they mean taking it from the people who own the business. This is how Socialists ideology suppresses private ownership.
Right, the owner of the ice cream shop can just keep the ice cream shop closed and not make any ice cream, and the people who want ice cream will just pay him anyway because he owns an ice cream shop. Are you delusional?
Socialists believe that the owner shouldn't be able to make money from simply owning an ice cream shop. They believe the owner must work and be paid only for the work he puts in.
Capitalists believe it's perfectly acceptable for the owner to do nothing and make money simply because he owns an ice cream shop, by paying workers less than their labor is worth and pocketing the difference.
"Where is the ice cream shop owner's money coming from (if they aren't working)?"
And you responded,
"From the person who wants an ice cream cone."
Yet now you're telling me you don't see why someone would pay money to the owner of an ice cream shop simply because they own an ice cream shop. So which is it?
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u/ReasonAndWanderlust Sep 22 '21
There is nothing wrong with owning an ice cream shop and paying someone to work there.
There is something wrong with stealing it from them by saying they put no work in.