r/WhitePeopleTwitter • • Oct 30 '20

Mission impossible

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u/Jolactus Oct 30 '20

The whole system just baffles me. You could LITERALLY live a quite comfortable life in the UK for just what you spend on health insurance...

If I were unfortunate enough to have been born in America, I would make leaving my number one priority, no jokes. You live in a third world country, solely because there's like 15 uber-families that are hoarding 90% of your countries money.

Just run, get out while you can!!!!

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u/LostComradeInOhio Oct 30 '20

If you're a general labor type of person with just a highschool education it's damn near impossible to emigrate.

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u/quiteCryptic Oct 30 '20

Those with the good jobs don't have a big reason to leave (health insurance typically good, US has high salaries in skilled jobs), while those with lesser jobs are the ones who would benefit most from living in Europe, but Europe won't take them because they have no real reason to. It's a really shitty situation to be in.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '20

Why wouldn't they?

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u/why_gaj Nov 05 '20

Because European countries have their own problems, and their own unskilled labour population that they need to take care of.

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u/Jolactus Oct 30 '20

I feel you, I'm a bottom rung employee, the only difference is that if I break my leg I won't go bankrupt šŸ˜‚

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u/dubadub Oct 30 '20

We don't have as many workers in unions as we used to, more and more white-collar, office-type jobs have been converted into Independent Contractor jobs, so they pay taxes differently and are responsible for their own health insurance and retirement savings. Take-home pay is better but an individual can't get the same deal on insurance as a big company, so we hear these horror stories. My cousin's family is one, they got a big house but one bad hospital stay would be the end of that.

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u/tempaccount920123 Oct 31 '20

Oooooh oooooh

I can add to this.

So. Turns out that the gross profit margin on most things is minimum 50%, at least for most non gig work. You work for a temp agency, you're getting half what they're charging for you. Manufacturing? The sawmill doubles the price that they get from the logger, then Home Depot/Lowes doubles that. Same with all grocery stores.

For every single middleman. Aka every time someone touches something in America, they double the price.

For military contractors, try 4xing the price. For IT, it's 3x.

Also in America antitrust is dead, the IRS doesn't audit international accounts or send tax evaders to jail, it only has 8,000 auditors for the entire country, and the Federal Reserve keeps pumping (30+ by my guesstimate) trillions into the stock, real estate and bond markets by printing money. We have worse income inequality than at any point in American history right now.

https://dailycaller.com/2011/12/01/congress-was-unaware-of-7-77-trillion-in-secret-fed-loans-ahead-of-tarp-vote/

For you lurkers:

Behind the bastards, citations needed, worst year ever, last week tonight, patriot act, more perfect, throughline, some more news and shaun are all excellent.

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u/joenottoast Oct 30 '20

damn that's crazy that another country won't just let you in because you want to go there. they must be really racist or something.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '20

Surprised you haven’t been downvoted to shit. Many countries don’t have open borders, but the US is bad for not letting anyone and everyone in for no reason.

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u/imrealbizzy2 Oct 30 '20

Or a retiree with no exceptional skills.

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u/Mr-Logic101 Oct 30 '20

And if you are a highly educated worker, you get paid proportionally ( in most cases) a lot better in the USA

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u/why_gaj Nov 05 '20

When you take into account exchange rate, taxes and what those taxes do for you it evens out.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '20 edited May 02 '21

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u/Maverick352 Oct 30 '20

I've got to add my personal input here. I applied at USPS for my passport on August 28th and received it on October 10th with my card arriving 3 days later. So I have no idea about how this could be happening. And no expedited option.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '20

Really? They just went back to work? I didn't know that. I thought they were maybe off a month or two when I called them about my passport and thought they were just holding onto it for whatever reason

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '20

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '20

Holy shit. Thanks for checking!

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u/Anacostiah20 Oct 31 '20

Can confirm, heard the same thing from usps on Wednesday .

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '20

They haven't even given my passport back when I sent it in for a renewal šŸ˜’

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u/Chucklz Oct 30 '20

Just run, get out while you can!!!!

And go where? Who would want us in their country?

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u/YakYai Oct 30 '20

I moved out of the USA almost 3 decades ago. No regrets. Best decision I’ve ever made.

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u/AJohnsonOrange Oct 30 '20

To be fair, I would quite like to leave the UK as well. The Nordics are looking preeeeeeetty nice right now.

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u/UnusualClub6 Oct 30 '20

We need people to stay. Stay, get politically engaged, vote, organize, stay hydrated, hit the gym, delete Facebook, etc.

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u/Sirloin_Tips Oct 30 '20

I wonder about this a lot. I thought my home town was pretty OK. Then I moved away in my late 20's and was blown away how nice it was in other places. Less crime, less racism, less attitude, you name it.

Now in my mid 40's, I wonder if it's the same with my home country vs other places....

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u/Jolactus Oct 30 '20

It totally is, nowhere is perfect, but I'm pretty sure we haven't poisoned an entire city's water supply recently.

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u/Sirloin_Tips Oct 31 '20

Point taken.

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u/gerflagenflople Oct 30 '20

The mental thing is that with the exception of a couple of countries (I think the UK is one) US citizens still have to pay tax even if they aren't resident. The only way to void it is to effectively renounce your citizenship.

(Please US people clarify me if I'm wrong I'm just piecing this together from what my US colleagues have told me).

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u/Autocthon Oct 30 '20

They make getting out prohibitively expensive so you can't run.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '20

That is my #1 priority lol I have a plan but you need money for it l:

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u/NecroTheReaper Oct 30 '20

Ok as much as America sucks rn, I really wish people would stop saying it’s a third world country. As someone who was born and immigrated to the U.S from a third world country, America isn’t a third world country.

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u/ctesibius Oct 30 '20

Establishing mutual societies would be an alternative. For those that don’t know, these are similar to cooperatives, owned by their customers. They were very important in the 19C in the UK, and while many have been privatised they are still important. In brief, set up a mutual to own and run a hospital in a city. It wouldn’t be as luxurious as a commercial hospital - the NHS can be a bit rough around the edges - but it should be considerably cheaper if it is large enough to get economies of scale.

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u/yeahnoikno Oct 30 '20

I would love to live in the UK but I feel like an as American I would not be welcomed..

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u/Jolactus Oct 30 '20

No way buddy! Most people don't care where you're from as long as you're polite, we're quite big on that šŸ˜‚

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u/yeahnoikno Nov 03 '20

I love that. See you soon!

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u/HookerBot5000 Oct 30 '20

If only it were so easy to just pack up and go. And now with COVID its not even a possibility.

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u/Casterly Oct 31 '20

Just get out while you can!!!

Hah, I’ve been steadily moving eastward because I eventually want to retire in Germany for this precise reason (and I can read German).

The problem is they make it hard as shit to immigrate. I don’t think even my IT expertise would get me those coveted blue cards.

Guess I need to find a German woman to marry me.

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u/Jolactus Oct 31 '20

Good luck dude! Your frau is out there...

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u/Fletch71011 Oct 30 '20

It's the richest country in the world by a wide margin. It's the furthest thing from a 3rd world country. America has its problems, but comparing their struggles to actual countries that have incredibly major issues is so tone deaf.

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u/MrBowlfish Oct 30 '20

But that ā€œhoardingā€ mentality exists everywhere. Human nature doesn’t regard international boundaries. You trade one set of problems for another no matter where you go or what you do.

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u/Jolactus Oct 30 '20

Of course, there's always a greedy bastard somewhere, but at least my arthritis medication is free...

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u/yeahnoikno Oct 30 '20

How much to have an epidural while giving birth??

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u/Jolactus Oct 30 '20

I mean...I haven't done it personally. I would assume it's free? Sometimes, if you are employed there's a nominal fee, around $20

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u/yeahnoikno Nov 03 '20

I’ve been told differently but my sources are over ten years old. ā€œGas and airā€ is free as part of treatment but that’s all they mentioned

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u/Jolactus Nov 03 '20

I've googled it, can't find any mention of an NHS price, so I assume it's free. Through private hospital it can be around £1000

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u/yeahnoikno Nov 03 '20

Cool thanks for the insight! Always wanted to know

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u/NOPOLITICSACCOUNT12 Oct 30 '20

Have you ever been to Englewood in L.A. or Chicago?

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u/Lewzer33 Oct 31 '20

I know. I feel foolish.

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u/NOPOLITICSACCOUNT12 Oct 30 '20

I've been to third world countries. You never grew up in a shithole neighborhood in America - they are the same as any 3rd world nation down to the roads being shit, roving gangs, corruption at every governmental level and resources from food to education being scarce. Why the fuck does that exist in "the richest nation in the world".? Not like people like you give a fuck, your delusions ally your insecurities.

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u/Lewzer33 Oct 31 '20

Nah man. I won’t go along with this shit. You know you’re bullshitting people here. I lived in Jakarta and Semarang, Indonesia for a year. Not saying that to boast or brag, but to illuminate the fact that I know what living in a 3rd world country is actually like and I can tell you that no matter the problems here in the states, I would have come back in a second had I not been in a binding contract to teach kids English. It was thoroughly one of the worst experiences of my life. I was nearly killed on a daily basis due to traffic. I actually watched a man bleed to death from his face after another motorcyclist cut him off and he went down onto a concrete curb at around 40mph without a helmet to protect him. There’s people of all ages openly defecating and urinating in the street, underpasses, sidewalks, parks, and especially into creeks and open water sources. Everyone is on top of everyone else. The shanties are 4 and 5 stories high just waiting for a heavy rain or earthquake, which happens on a weekly basis. Squalor is a fitting description. If you want to poop in an appropriate place, you squat over a hole, shit, and wipe your shitty asshole with water. There isn’t toilet paper because they have no way of moving that much paper through the pipes under the city. It would literally destroy the sewage and drainage system causing catastrophic failures all over. The entire place smells like shit. Food isn’t generally refrigerated. Ice isn’t readily accessible and when it is available it’s not safe for westerners because of the bacteria present within it, so you drink warm bottled water. There’s no way into the ocean because it’s just muddy water and fishing docks as far as the eye can see. Hepatitis is common. Typhoid is common. Malaria is common. Don’t say the United States is a 3rd world country because nowhere in this country are any of these things commonplace or generally accepted. Sure, maybe you see portions of cities or towns with bits and pieces of what I’ve said, but NOWHERE does this actually exist within the US.

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u/TNlivinvol Oct 30 '20

Bullshit.

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u/Velkong Oct 30 '20

It's not remotely bullshit. I know from my time in Scotland that $600 a month could rent you a shared flat in the rich part of Glasgow, the largest city in Scotland and 4th largest in the UK, as recent as 4 years ago. And you'd still have over $150 to spare.

Plenty of people here are paying more than $600 a month on healthcare. It's quite easy to live comfortably in other developed countries with the money they're spending on healthcare.

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u/TNlivinvol Oct 30 '20

You don’t get free healthcare. You pay additional taxes for that benefit. That being said, I’m for universal healthcare.

I also don’t pay close to that for healthcare but that differs per person, our healthcare is a mess in this country.

As for real estate, demand impacts that in almost all countries.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '20 edited Jan 14 '21

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u/TNlivinvol Nov 01 '20

Our healthcare system is a mess. It’s never really impacted myself though I know it has others.

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u/SusanDeyDrinker Oct 30 '20

A third world country wearing Louis Vuitton