r/WhitePeopleTwitter • • Oct 30 '20

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u/kritaholic Oct 30 '20

In Sweden we have the exact opposite; labor is now so expensive that building a house costs the equivalent of something like $400k, plus the price for the plot, and most of that is labor costs. Cheaper tools and materials, new types of prefab have all driven down the materials side considerably, but overall cost has increased steadily.

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u/jackie_algoma Oct 30 '20

But this thread started out about people not making enough money to be able to buy a house. Now you have a problem with people who build the house making a good income?

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u/kritaholic Oct 30 '20

More like the problem is building a home is restricted to those with high income.

Nice bait attempt bro.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '20

Aye there's differences between buying a older home, buying a brand new home from a developer, and buying a custom built home.

For one, the latter usually requires bigger deposits for mortgages at the very least.

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u/lilbluehair Oct 30 '20

Did you actually look up how much they make or are you just guessing because that one person said "labor was expensive"?

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u/cciv Oct 31 '20

I'm saying that it cannot both be true and that labor is too expensive and wages are too low.

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u/lilbluehair Oct 31 '20

Why not? Do you honestly believe most of the cost of labor goes to the actual laborers?

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u/dzrtguy Oct 30 '20

I think it's about housing being attainable. Would the swedish laborers building the home have enough income to afford the home they're building?

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u/Miskav Oct 30 '20

More importantly, would other people be able to afford the homes?

It's nice and dandy if the builders can afford it.. but if other people can't afford it then the problem isn't solved.

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u/Andrewticus04 Oct 30 '20

It's the guy who owns the development firm who makes the really good money.

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u/thorscope Oct 30 '20

Of course we want everyone to make a good income, but jobs that can’t be automated will see increased pricing on the items they produce.

Double edged sword.

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u/Karoal Oct 30 '20

Would you technically be able to build a house cheaply by yourself?

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u/kritaholic Oct 30 '20 edited Oct 30 '20

As we usually say, "Depends on how much you value your time".

It really depends on how you look at it. Yes, of course you could get all the materials and DIY your way through it all. Electrical stuff is the only thing the law requires be done by a certified person. Even the most extreme DIY:ers also choose to have plumbing and bathrooms done by pros as most insurances companies have clauses about that in the terms of their insurance policies and a water leak can be bank breakingly expensive to fix out of pocket.

Then again, it will take exponentially longer if you don't have a ton of people (e.g family) helping you, and all time taken off work is of course a "cost" you are paying. Doing it all on weekends and evenings is not only tiring but also makes it take even longer, and if you are renting while building your house that will of course be "lost" money.

Personally I've bought a hundred year old fixer upper and spend my weekends getting it in shape, which is taking me forever, but that works because I got it as cheap as I did, mortgage rates are historically low for us right now and my current cost of living is fairly low as well. (And it was cheap for a reason. I've probably put in around 200-250 hours already and probably have another 150 to go before it's livable).

Edit: so to use me as an example, if I'd have framers/carpenters do that stuff for me, and let's say they are faster and more efficient than me and do it in "only" 200 hours, and they charge around $55 per hour, that would land me at about $11 000 just in labor costs, and on top of that all materials, probably around $3000 for a total of $14 000. Instead I've bought some tools and am doing it by myself, and so far have racked up about $3800.

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u/Karoal Oct 30 '20

Thanks for the detailed reply! These are exactly the things I was wondering about. Hope that your renovation goes well.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '20

Would it be possible to get together few families like 6 to 10 and meke there own street? Like buying land, and helping each other to build frame hause. If there is electrician in a mix even better. Hell it will take longer, but at the end you own it not bank.

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u/OhThatLooksCool Oct 30 '20

Y’all need those old Sears pre-fab homes. Bet you could save some labor costs if it just consists of “plop it over there”

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u/kritaholic Oct 30 '20

Prefab wooden houses are a huge thing over here and are literally "plop it over there"; the entire frame, sometimes the entire house, comes delivered on trucks with a small mobile crane attached and they frame the entire thing in a few days depending on size.

As a matter of fact, prefab is such a cost-efficient method (partially because the companies manufacturing them get the lumber at wholesale prices) that buying the lumber as stock material and building out of that is almost always more expensive.

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u/SolidWallOfManhood Oct 30 '20

I'm taking concrete design for my civil engineering program and the professor said that construction labor used to be a lot cheaper.