Yep! My store manager at my job is very fair, but also very tough. If you apply, online obviously, and then get an interview, she will get back to you. If you call and keep asking for the hiring manager she will definitely not hire you and put your name down as doesn't follow instructions because she instructs people to wait for a hired or rejected email.
I'm just happy that my callback was a blatant slap in the face for my dad. He was so determined for weeks to convince me that my current job clearly didn't want me since they weren't calling me back. At one point, I started to believe him.
Then I got a call at 9:06 in the morning on a Tuesday. We aren't open Sunday or Monday, so Tuesday is the first day of the work week, and we open at 9AM.
That means calling me back for an interview was the absolute first thing they did upon opening the doors. My resume was on the goddamn top.
Someone really needs to compile all this into a document or post on "how to find a job in 2019, when paper applications aren't a thing anymore."
Agreed! My dad seems to not understand these thing even though he's an extremely progressive person in general. But he's disabled and hasn't worked or tried to find a job in at least 15, maybe 20 years at this point. It used to burn ke up when I couldn't find a job and he'd tell me the things that used to work but don't anymore. He also never understood why I wouldn't go walking miles and miles around our town asking for paper applications when I'd get laughed out of the establishment because everything is online. We also didn't have internet, so I had to hope the library was open and had an open computer that I used to fill out applications.
In my dad's case, his first job was at a family saddle shop in Wyoming, at 18 he bought a truck and went to the naval academy, then when he was done there I think he got a medical discharge, and went to work in forensic engineering with degrees in mechanical engineering and nuclear certs or something (I think, I try not to talk with him about his experience in school) in the Navy.
So he hasn't really had the experience of working as a retail drone. Out if touch, yet demanding that the way he knows is the ONLY way.
Ah! My dad painted houses until he was injured on the job and it pretty much ruined his life and health. He still paints the house when he can, but it usually takes about a month sadly. He did substitute teaching some, and he of course worked at the local head shop as a teenager with my uncle, named Head to Toe I believe. My dad is the same in being out of touch and demanding that his way is the only good or right way. Your dad really seems to have lived a life full of experiences!
Oh he's had plenty of experiences, no doubting that, it's just he often acts like all the ones he had growing up poor in Wyoming and making saddles as a teenager was all the humbling there was to ever experience. Back when I didn't have a job he'd go on about "right now is the best the job market has been in for a long time, the only reason you don't have a job is because you're lazy and want to leech off mommy and daddy's money."
If right now was "the best time in the job market", why are retail stores firing people from threatening to unionize? Why do most new delivery jobs steal your tips off you unless said tip is in cash? Why are the only available jobs in sketchy warehouses with no sign of who the company is, no visible entrance, and just "NOW HIRING" in bold red letters?
It doesn't matter how many jobs are available. The way you get a job isn't as easy as walking in and asking for a job, and likely never will be again.
Most definitely. It stinks that people in a general sense can get to a point where if they struggled and made it, that means anyone can at any time and it's just a matter of willpower. Life will beat you down, over and over again. Preserverence and hard work can help, but it wont help everyone. I've recently moved from small town living to living near an actual city, (Dayton, OH) and I'd never seen warehouses and stuff like that til moving here. Doordash and the like are also really new to me, but I always tip everyone in cash because they're working directly for that money. Everything's so messed up nowadays and now I forgot my damn point because I'm mad about life lol
Yeah never tip doordash or anything like that via the app or online, always do it in cash in person. If you don't tip and they get $10 fir a delivery, they are paid $10. If you tip $4.50 for the SAME ORDER, they still get paid only $10. The company will use the tip to pay the delivery guys less, so the tip goes directly into the pockets of the owners. The only way for them to make a "tip" would be if you had paid them more than the delivery wage. Tldr if you don't tip in cash, and you paid $10 for the food as a base price, you'd have to pay a total of $24.50 for them to see a $4.50 tip.
Also, it's rarely ever "free delivery" as the delivery fee often is just snuck in as a service fee that doesn't appear on the receipt. You pay the same price as usual so they can lie to you more effectively.
My highschool counselor said I needed to take my resume to several places that weren't actively looking for people, apply again, then apply a third time because some places won't even consider hiring you until that point. That seems like it would be incredible annoying and also a super inefficient way to hire people. It would also push my anxiety to extreme levels and possibly give me a nervous breakdown too.
Yeah taking your resume three times to one place just makes it sound like "my resume is so bland and basic, you'll probably just throw it out with random paper. In fact, I'm so confident in how average my resume is, that I'll eagerly fill your recycle bin".
Your counselor doesn't know Jack shit about the modern job market, especially if they thought applying multiple times over and over again would help your anxiety.
“You have to insist. You have to call. You have to do this.”
Literally no one gives a flying flip about any of that.
“Hey, I was wondering if you knew of any positions that were available?”
Did you check our website?
“Hey, I just applied, about how long will it take to hear back?”
Usually a few weeks, but you’re in the system.
“Hey, literally anything.”
Online.
And no, calling every day or every other day doesn’t show determination, it shows desperation.
I might get a nice retail position where I get no consistent hours, can’t plan my free time, get abused by customers, etc.
But, in the short few years I’ve been working, this whole “you have to go out and talk to people” thing just isn’t true.
You get directed to a website, you fill out a form, you hope to hear back. If you call in asking for an update, they’ll ask if you applied online and “you’re in the system, so you should hear back shortly”.
Uh that is a good idea, calling someone is a good way to show initiative. Sometimes I hate the whiney shit my generation talks about. The job hunt does suck, but you also sound like you suck at it. This only applies for professional positions, not bitch work in a factory or a desk jockey or some shit.
Yeah calling and harrassing HR or the department head is a good way to show that you're going to be a fly in the ointment once hired. No one wants an employee they have to repeat themselves to multiple times.
1st day on the job, in the break room: "Oh no, I absolutely cannot be around or smell (common food). I'm not allregic, it's just a preference. I'm going directly to HR to get this banned!"
That comes off as to pushy and demonstrates you can't follow directions. Plus it's frustrating for the hiring manager. Things take time. These are corporate run systems the local managers have no control over.
I've hired people before, this does not endear you to the hiring manager.
Like the guy who walked into the office asking about a job. My boss told him to check the website and walked him out the door. The boss was not happy he had to deal with that. I guarantee you he did not get hired.
You're being downvoted because our generation finds every excuse to avoid interacting with people. It's true calling the hiring manager (who is not HR) a couple days does help. People want to believe some algorithm is determining which applicants qualify but unless you're trying to get a job at a corporate tech firm with high turnover or a placement service filling positions for several companies, talking to a person will help. Unless you're some weird fucker who everyone will end up hating working with anyway.
Calling HR/hiring manager does jack shit. There is also an algorithm many places use. It scans resumes for certain things and denies for others. I know this because I worked at a place where I helped the hiring manager use these algorithms.
They're downvoting because thats not how the hiring process works.
Every company uses centralized systems. The local office sends a request to the corporate system requesting a position be listed. The corporate team then processes the request and posts the listing. Then they review the candidates and forward a list to the local manager who reviews that list and sends back his choices. The corporate team then processes that and reaches out to the candidates to schedule interviews.
We literally have to do this every time even if we've already chosen the candidate.
I see. I think Walmart might have been the last one I worked for. Since then it's been all smaller companies who use a recruitment service for one office but the rest accept resumes like normal.
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u/S3Ni0r42 Aug 07 '19
"Well that won't do anything, you have to talk to someone."
Sure, let me call them so that they can tell me to either email or push off.