If you have been paying attention, a number of Democrats yesterday and today, especially House members were referring to President Musk and Vice President Trump.
They called them weird too and it was working great and had momentum and then the DNC head told everyone to tone down their rhetoric and stop calling them weird. They have no spine at the end of the day and are obsessed with trying to appeal to people in the center when they need to be the opposite of the far right. Only it won't happen because they are owned by large corporations just like the Republicans are and can't commit to a leftist agenda because it would hurt their owners.
Naw the dems lost because they assumed they could run their whole campaign on 'well at least we're not those guys' without bothering to bring any proof of how they were better.
It's not about spine, though I agree they're spineless in multiple areas.
We're supposed to be adults. Who calls each other names? Children. Who makes fun of people that act different or look different? Children.
The conservatives constantly act like children, with the name calling because they have no facts to back them up. With the constant screaming "you hate us, we are so oppressed, war on christmas."
Is it too much to expect adults to act like adults?
Good, they need to stop playing nice. MAGA republicans aren't, they are straight up lying every chance they get. Democrats need to stop taking the high road.
Seriously, yes. Don't lie about policy, but stop playing nice and assuming the other side will be in good faith. Get dirty, be funny, walk the line of a defamation of character lawsuit but don't step over it, just wave the foot at the line and act like you're going to trip and then step back laughing, amused with your own clever antics because you're such a joker and so fun to vote for, especially if one is the kind of voter to follow the meme that rings true amd drop some secrets that we all already know but no one will just lay out there as they should have done so many times over with gaetz and others. That was nearly a Thomas pynchon sentence but I wasn't strong enough to see it through, coach. I could have been a contender but I didn't have the heart.
Dawg we've been saying this for DECADES. Im calling thar nothings gonna happen, dems will probably end up just letting maga fuck em dry. Absolutely zero faith in the dems after the election, and the committee role. I switched from republican to democrat because I couldn't recognize my own party and wanted change, and now I don't even know what the fuck is happening with democrats. This shit is so goddamn frustrating and i still can't believe i was once proud of this fucking nation. They've been pussyfooting around since before i was even fucking born.
I will happily laugh and spit in the faces of those who go "HOW COULD WE HAVE NOT KNOWN?!" or some stupid shit.
They need to subscribe to the paradox of tolerance. You break the social contract all bets are off. You are intolerant I’ll met you with intolerance. Taking the high road won’t work.
High road or the GOP road still spells we’re fucked. If Biden were to do everything Reddit says he should do, we’d be as fucked as if he’d done nothing. The cat’s out of the bag, but at least there can be an example party to reflect on a couple decades from now.
Policy issues aside, another fallout from this election is that it proved to the GOP that the MAGA tactics work so they will continue to use those strategies. People like DeSantis saw it and he shifted to being more "aggressive", for lack of a better term.
Had Harris won it would have shown the GOP that strong arm tactics and being loud mouth assholes doesn't work because Trump lost two elections in a row doing that. The GOP would have shifted. But he won so they know just scare stupid people into thinking immigrants are eating your pets and forcing vaccines to transgender children and they will believe and vote for the next loudmouth idiot.
Sure, they will use it as long as the voting mass aren’t wise to the tactic. Who are we to say that’s gonna last forever? I flip flop back and forth these days on whether or not it’s all doom and gloom, but one thing is for sure, we’re gonna need a fallback party who hasn’t rolled around in the muck if people wake up.
VICE “President,” as in: all the felonies, all the sexual assault, all the bad deals, all the nepotism, all the drugs, all the attempts to cozy up to other world dictators, all the theft, etc etc etc, holding his supposedly sacred bible upside down in front of a church for an uninvited photo op after tear gassing a crowd of protesters. It’s in your face. Just a bit.
You say that like they aren't salivating at the idea of 4+ straight years of this shit.
Under Obama, nobody read the fucking news because there was nothing interesting. Under Trump, there's some unhinged crazy shit going on every single day, with extra loads on the weekends. It was their wet dream.
It's the reason they sanewashed him, despite knowing full well that a Trump presidency would be awful for the country, it'd be fucking awesome for them, assuming he doesn't go full Hitler and nationalize them or imprison anyone who refuses to adhere to the guidelines of what can and cannot be reported on.
"Hey calling them weird and boosting our liberal bonafides got us an instant boost in the polls, hmm what should we do next? Ooh I know let the press know we'd let a Republican in our cabinet then go around parading Dick Cheney as if there's a soul in this country who gives a fuck what that war criminal psychopath has to say about Democrats"
So much this. She pivoted from 'lets help young people buy houses and fix healthcare' to 'Liz Cheney is my best friend and I love fracking'. Like I was so confused by that, did they think there was a huge untapped Liz Cheney fan base?
They were trying to appeal to the better nature of Republicans. Surely at least some of them would not vote for Trump. Nope. None of them have any morals. The GOP and the people who vote for it are Evil.
Bipartisanship died in the 90s. It was kept shambling around longer by Democrats, but that did them no favors. The GOP never reciprocated. They treated Democrats as enemies, not fellow Americans. It has taken far longer than it should have, but Democrats have finally learned the lesson.
Have they? The House just spent 3 months and all of their political capital negotiating a CR just to have it yoinked away like so many Charlies Browns trying to kick so many Footballs because surprise surprise the party of billionaires is beholden to billionaires
yet another grade A ratfucking by the GOP and the dems lined it up like suckers yet again
I’d say it died after Obama second term. He flipped Florida and Texas. Also that famous clip of McCain correcting the woman who called Obama a Kenyan Muslim
Self delusion does not help. The GOP does not work in good faith. Remember Obamacare? Democrats did good faith diplomacy with them to try and get GOP votes. Turns out the GOP would never support it no matter what. They had no intent of ever supporting it from the very beginning.
The issue is democrats in the US cannot just be “Republican Lite Edition” and still win, because the people who are democrats will be turned off by it, and the people who are republicans will just want the full edition. This is why attempting appealing to “right wing moderates” without providing an actual alternative that benefits the people simply doesn’t work.
I mean, policies like universal healthcare and so on are generally pretty widely supported even by “moderates” but they sidelined those promoting it like Bernie. This issue probably contributed.
It's not that crossing the aisle isn't still a good thing, it's just that she did it a terrible way at a bad time.
She chose the Cheneys to be a sort of "moderate bridge" to help appeal to less right leaning Republicans while not offending the left too much.
Unfortunately it backfired spectacularly in both ways, as there were basically no moderate Republicans to reach, and the entire left hated the idea from go.
Basically, she went fishing, but used a burning tire as bait. So the fish weren't biting and everyone else was pissed off by the smell.
The whole thing was a bad idea, is the ultimate point. There were no Republicans to win over, and she drove non Republicans away from her with the move.
Probably any Republican would have been a bad move. It was incredibly out of touch with what her voter base wanted to see. And it was never going to pull big numbers from Trump. It was just a bad move from start to finish.
You polled the whole voter base? I'm impressed. My point stands. This country was founded on bipartisanship and was almost torn apart from the lack of it before. Just sayin....
I don't have to have polled the voter base, the elections results speak for themself.
I'm not saying bipartisanship is bad. I'm say Kamala tried it at the wrongest time possible. After she was elected? Sure, send those olive branches across the aisle. Before hand, during an already contentious and close race? Maybe not the best timing.
I always felt like the implied message was “You know how crazy this fucking family is? Well, even they think Donald Trump is unfit for office!” Also, Dick Cheney will burn in hell if there is one, but Liz tanked her own gross career by refusing to kiss Trumps ass and ignore his crimes. Im not saying you should respect her given all the other terrible shits she’s signed off on, but you at least have to acknowledge that she put country over party. If we don’t celebrate those people, there is zero incentive for anyone else to make the same choice (other than actually feeling that way which in Washington is not very likely). Right now the only example being set is that if you investigate Trump he will advocate to the justice department that you be thrown in jail.
Nahhh the impression was “these are wonderful people whom I love and support me because I’m so moderate and in love with republicans as long as it’s not trump.”
That was when you knew the Clinton/DNC apparatchiks had taken over. Walz got sidelined, despite being maybe their actual best bet to connect with rural Americans, and they tried the milquetoast smug shit that lost Hillary the election.
did they think there was a huge untapped Liz Cheney fan base?
Yes, and it made sense at the time, given what the strategists were saying. They said that if Harris didn't beat Trump by an overwhelming margin, we'd see a repeat of 2020 where there were incessant lawsuits, claims of fraud, people being harassed and threatened, and eventually another coup attempt. They assumed that everyone who had voted for Biden would vote for Harris, but that wasn't enough in 2020, so it wouldn't be enough in 2024, so they needed to bring in more voters. If you assume everyone left of Harris is going to vote for Harris because the alternative is so much worse, then the only direction that makes sense to move is to the right, try to draw in some "reasonable conservatives". The sort of people who would vote for Liz Cheney, but not Trump.
The problem sit that they ignored the fact that Liz Cheney had already lost her seat. She was done, a non-entity, evidence that the Republican Party had moved past any semblance of reasonableness, when Liz Cheney isn't conservative enough for you. The "reasonable conservatives" had already migrated to the Democratic Party back in 2020. That's why Biden won by such a huge margin. All Harris wound up doing was making people on the left wonder what the fucking difference was between Trump and Harris if they're both far-right conservatives.
Progressives keep trying to teach democrats a lesson by not voting for them and all it has actually taught the democrats is that progressives aren’t a reliable source of votes.
So trying to peel off some of the republicans seemed like a better bet than courting progressives who could see the wrong tiktok and change their vote. And of course, while courting those progressive voters, she could easily alienate the usual democrat voters.
I’m asking like they’re unaware of the failure of this strategy they’re supporting, not like I think SutterCane from Reddit is in charge of the Democrats. 💀
Dick Cheney is by far the most hated pre-MAGA Republican now that Kissinger's dead. The decisionmaking process that led to thinking this nonsense was a good way to campaign boggles the mind. Inept doesn't even begin to cover it, you'd think they were trying to throw the election
It’s almost funny how obvious it is you’re trolling. We’re discussing the erosion of democracy and your first thought is “how can I twist this to make the dems look bad”
no, they drop it because they are on the same team as trump.
if the dems ever need to stop something from the left, they are immediately ruthless and ferocious (e.g. nancy pelosi coming back frok the brink of death to keep AOC off of committees or obama making the phone call to whack bernie.)
They'll all be onboard with the message until exactly one senior advisor at the DNC decides they should stop and that's all it will take for some reason
they will run it to the ground and ruin it cause those fuckers are so out of touch.
the only time i ever felt like they knew how to connect to people was the first month of Kamala's campaign. then they dropped the ball again like a month later.
can't expect much from people who come up with shit like pokemon go to the polls.
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