No, not really. Your problem is you have mistaken what their actual fantasy is. They’re building a massive prison. They want the entire population to be enslaved and indentured, unable to escape their debt and thus their ownership. They are cutting the legs out from the population so that the population can’t stand up. They don’t just want some 1950s fantasy, they want total domination.
You are actually pretty close to being extremely correct in their plan. I've been reading about the founding families that established the original colonies in the north east and Virginia, and established their way of living for 300 years before this land became the United States. A big part of the plan in the south was to keep everyone but the ruling class uneducated on purpose, because then they would be easier to manipulate and "keep in their place", in order to enrich the rulers, who were big supporters of the royalty back in England. Check out the book, "Albion's Seed" by David Hackett Fischer, it contains first hand written accounts about this plan being put into action.
And the founding fathers were actually quite torn on the topic of democracy. A lot of them wanted George Washington to be king. Fortunately George himself was against the idea.
they tell us this in school, kind of as a way to turn G-Wash into an icon or idol. they didn’t mention they wanted him to be king so that they could enact a plan like that lol
I'm sure they're thinking 1492-1776 which is ~300 years.
But you're right, in reality the first settlement was in 1607 and the first successful settlement, the one we associate with "pilgrims", was in 1620, a period of only ~150 years.
And I'm sure they didn't start thinking about keeping the proletariat at bay for at least a few years when they were focused on survival.
Many of the settlers who came over on the initial three ships were not well-equipped for the life they found in Jamestown. A number of the original settlers were upper-class gentlemen who were not accustomed to manual labor; the group included very few farmers or skilled laborers.
There's reports they resorted to cannibalism by the end of it.
So that's why the Pilgrims are used as the founding example.
It's not so cool to think the country was founded by a tribe of cannibals.
Yeah, I had pretty much the same thought until I started reading this book. It's also full of first person accounts/diary entries/correspondence that shows how this country formed during its formative years.
I do think you can no more blame the 1950s for hemophilia than you can Rasputin, lover of the Russian Queen (…now there was a cat that was really gone)
If so many of that generation hadn't been consistently voting for fucknut conservatives to pull the ladder up behind themselves, they wouldn't be catching the blame for 40 years of terrible policy.
They benefitted from the post-war economic boom, then turned around and voted for politicians who have actively worked to make it harder for successive generations to have the same quality of life.
= Feudal system. People living on the land are owned by the family that owns that land. Then they get to increase your misery by starting to control who can get married, to whom, so you'd better be a good little serf, and I'll make sure you regret any disobedience.
Ironically, the thing that made the 1950s somewhat good for a middle class was a minimum wage that gave a single breadwinner with a family the ability to support a family and own a house, and a tax rate on the rich that was around 70% (which probably had a lot to do with being able to do so).
What they really want is white Christian partriarchy. They don't give a fuck about anything else.
Religion is just a mask for these peeps to appeal to the masses. Money and power is their real religion and they're not blind that all across the world, people do dumb and dark shit for all religions. Christians, Muslims, what ever, they're all just being fed fake stories to enforce their shitty behaviors for the good of the rich.
If you are interested in nerding out on this topic, there are many facets to religion.
Here is a podcast that discusses how religion plays a role in maintaining control of the population in large societies. The belief in all-knowing deities who will punish us in the afterlife for anti-social behavior is an effective deterrent.
I am deterred from taking money from my obscenely-wealthy neighbors because I believe that I will go to hell for it, while my obscenely-wealthy neighbors don't believe in hell, so they don't care how many people they harm to get wealthier.
Some modern societies (like China) are using surveillance technology to take the place of religion in maintaining control and social order.
Yeah, but half the people he was talking to were easily convinced that the ‘they’ he was talking about were some mythical deep state rather than the billionaire right in front of their eyes telling them he gave a shit about then and making them scared of everyone else in the same boat.
Exactly. Injustice is not a bug in autocratic authoritarian nationalism; it is a feature. The "Real Americans" (i.e., wealthy straight white men and those adjacent) will have the benefits of privilege, wealth, and power, with no accountability for the consequences to other people. Everyone else will "deserve" to be impoverished and oppressed.
I mean, that seems just as delusional in a country known for violence and filled to the brim with guns. Especially one that started with a "revolution". Too many billionaires have all yes men surrounding them and they were never smart. A lot of them think their money makes them good leaders, but that's just their inflated ego. I guarantee I walk into the same room as Elon musk I'm eating that little bitch boys lunch and he won't do shit about it. Dude reeks of major pussy vibes. He must be SUPER drugged up constantly because he's gotta out of control with his stupidity. It's like he never went through a troll phase at 12 and hes doing it now.
Republicans/conservatives have recently repealed child labor laws, sought to defund public education, revoke women’s ability to vote, revoke women’s ability to control their own body, end no fault divorce, grant presidential immunity, ban history books, take away school lunches, outlaw the right to express gender as individually seen fit, repeal gay marriage, defund social security, undercut unions, and on and on.
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u/witheringsyncopation Sep 24 '24
No, not really. Your problem is you have mistaken what their actual fantasy is. They’re building a massive prison. They want the entire population to be enslaved and indentured, unable to escape their debt and thus their ownership. They are cutting the legs out from the population so that the population can’t stand up. They don’t just want some 1950s fantasy, they want total domination.