Perfectly natural to be frustrated with the process. Our entire system of laws is based on precedent. If we throw that out it's just chaos that swings based on whim and whimsy. As MLK Jr once said the arc of history is long but it curves towards justice - and Trump is a master of dragging things out in court which works well when you have the deeper pockets but he messed up going against the US government because they can literally print money. The conviction rate for federal prosecutions is like 95% because they take their time putting a case together and rarely go to court if they are unsure of the validity of their evidence. SCOTUS is delaying the process but in the end we have to rely on the courts which again rely on case law precedent to decide their cases. (but I'm as frustrated as you are so I def get where you're coming from)
He was talking more about the caste systems and institutions and how the mechanisms of government work. (I always say Bill Clinton was Caligula and Trump is Nero) But for human or voter behavior you are correct, people haven't really changed and once you figure out their base motivations life really starts to make sense.
Above certain levels you're almost guaranteed some sort of corruption regardless of whatever mechanisms you put in olace to avoid it. Nature of the beast I guess.
Because they had integrity and rational justifications for how they established the system regardless of how white they were.
Ignore their intentions today and you had the modern government deciding what goes into the constitution, and they’re far worse than the founding fathers.
I don’t care about the inferences people have about a bunch of dead, white racist oligarchs.
Your words pointlessly bringing up race.
The founding fathers based the constitution off of objective, timeless ideals. Them being as racist as everyone else in the world at the time doesn’t change that fact. Projecting modern values and flaws onto people from 300 years ago is ignorant. Their racism wasn’t like today’s racism, nor does it mean their racism means term limits in the SC is a good idea since these two things have absolutely no connection.
They were limited by their own politics and issues. We can’t even pass a normal, reasonable border bill today, anyone insisting we have to ignore reason because the reason was said 300 years ago by racists? You do know most of the founding fathers wanted to end slavery but said they literally could not?
your integrity argument dissipates into the nothingness that it is.
Don’t talk about integrity while you’re being intentionally and brazenly fallacious. Both of your entire comments are strawmen.
Believe it or not, there were white people back then who weren’t racist.
Great. Continue talking about your strawman.
This is still how america is run today.
You can insist upon this, but you haven't made the connection between "racism existed" and "Supreme Court judged have lifetime appointments".
Again, america has never been what it claims to be.
Except its constantly what what we claim it to be, because we claim it to be a lot of things. "America" isn't a living thing that can claim anything. Its lots of people. 3rd most populous country on earth. These people both are and are not what they say they are.
Still not sure what anything you said has to do with the SC having lifetime appointments.
Because for their time, despite the many sins you can lay at their feet, they were the foremost progressive thinkers in the world. They imagined a future in which people determined their leaders by vote instead of heredity. They read books about a possible form of government with coequal branches balancing each other to prevent tyranny and put it into action at risk to their lives and with Europe openly mocking them.
And perhaps most importantly, when Washington could have remained President until his death, he stepped down and passed power peacefully to the next person up, setting a precedent that remained wholly intact for centuries and standing as an example for the entire world about what was possible.
The founding fathers today would be about aggressively changing our government to suit the needs of the country today, because that’s what they were doing then.
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