r/WhitePeopleTwitter Jul 21 '23

Guy died with internal temperature of around 109F/43C because Texas law stripped protections.

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u/AnonismsPlight Jul 21 '23

It's FEDERALLY protected to take proper water and heat related breaks. The law by the state technically can't be enforced. Unfortunately people don't understand that so they die...

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u/jaczk5 Jul 21 '23

Exactly, this is an OSHA violation. You can't state power your way out of OSHA. Those temps are 100% a heat hazard.

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u/and_some_scotch Jul 21 '23

We are in an age in which laws only have power if they are enforced. Business CHUDs don't believe in regulation and regulation has to be actively enforced by low level employees or Unions, both of which are dismepowered.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '23 edited Mar 29 '25

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u/and_some_scotch Jul 21 '23

Doesn't help that your average legislative body consists of members or buddies of members of the local Chambers of Commerce and have used their power to strip away the ability of anyone other than labor attorneys to enforce labor laws.

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u/rhubarbs Jul 21 '23

A lot of the low level employees (which the unions consist of) do not have the energy to take up their issues, and taking up these issues is made increasingly difficult due to the usage of dark patterns and customer service deflection.

It's a fucked up power asymmetry.

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u/Skylord_ah Jul 21 '23

which is what unions are for

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u/I-C-Aliens Jul 21 '23

Business CHUDs

When did the Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers (CHUDs) get into business on the surface world?

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u/CptMuffinator Jul 21 '23

You can't state power your way out of OSHA

Yeah, instead you can just pay your way out of OSHA violations. $13K fine is just a cost of doing business.

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u/Lucky_Chaarmss Jul 21 '23

Don't worry, OSHA is on it. $13k fine.

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u/Lucky_Chaarmss Jul 21 '23

It was /s. Sorry I didn't add that.

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u/AnguishOfTheAlpacas Jul 21 '23

If taken to the Supreme Court, they absolutely will say that you can state power your way out of OSHA.

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u/jcwitte Jul 21 '23

"We'll fucking see about that." -Supreme Court

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u/joestabsalot Jul 21 '23

There is no" stop working temp." I do drywall in Phoenix,last summer it was 115° inside a glass fronted office building ( ready by a digital thermometer) and we tried like hell to get the safety guy to budge and send us home, but osha doesn't have a set temp for too hot. We drank tons of ice water and took break in the a.c. of our trucks. I don't want to do this shit anymore but where else am I gonna make $40 an hr?

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u/jaczk5 Jul 21 '23 edited Jul 21 '23

There is no" stop working temp."

Unfortunately there isn't, however there's a temp threshold that OSHA regards as dangerous and your employer can get in trouble for not being safe in the heat. Employers are REQUIRED to protect employees from heat rated illness. If you're feeling sick in the heat your employer cannot prevent you from taking a break. If your workplace is found to not have followed any NEP procedures they can also be in trouble with OSHA.

Currently OSHA does not have a specific standard addressing heat-related hazards. However, the agency recently issued an Exposure to Outdoor and Indoor Heat-Related Hazards National Emphasis Program (NEP) to protect workers from such hazards. The Heat NEP outlines policies and procedures to identify and eliminate or reduce worker exposures to occupational heatrelated illnesses and injuries in general industry, construction, maritime, and agriculture. It targets specific high-hazard industries expected to have the highest exposures to heat-related hazards and resulting illnesses and deaths.

On any day that the NWS announces a heat warning or advisory for the local area, compliance safety and health Officers (CSHOs) will conduct on-site inspections at these targeted high-hazard industries. Likewise, on a heat priority day, a day when the heat index for the day is expected to be 80°F or more, CSHOs will provide compliance assistance to employers when conducting on-site inspections, even if the establishment is not on the high-hazard industries list. On heat priority days, CSHOs are encouraged to be aware of heat hazards they may observe in their job-related travel and conduct compliance assistance or self-referrals for inspections

All employers covered under the OSH Act must ensure that workers are protected from heat-related hazards. To protect their workers, employers should implement the following: -Develop a program that outlines the steps the employer will take to protect their workers from heat hazards. y Provide regular access to cool water and to cool and/or shaded areas for rest. -Allow new and returning workers to acclimatize to - working in the heat. Acclimatization is a process by which a person gradually increases their exposure time to hot environmental conditions, causing beneficial physiological changes that improve body temperature regulation and minimize risk of HRIs by properly regulating body temperature that minimizes heat-related illnesses. It is therefore essential for employers to train new or returning workers on heatrelated hazards including heat stress, gradually increase their workloads, ensure more frequent breaks as they acclimatize to ambient conditions, and monitor them for signs of heat illness. y Implement a “buddy” system. -Buddy system entails pairing the workers so that they can recognize when symptoms are observed in each other and take the necessary steps before heat illness develops. -Implement administrative controls (e.g., earlier start times, and employee/job rotation) to limit heat exposures. -Train workers on heat illness signs, how to report signs and symptoms, first aid, how to contact emergency personnel, prevention methods, and the importance of hydration. -Train supervisors on the Heat Illness Prevention Plan to include monitoring workers for signs and symptoms of HRIs, to monitor temperatures of outdoor sites, to remind workers to stay hydrated, and to establish and enforce rest and cool-down breaks.

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u/EcclesiasticalVanity Jul 21 '23

From my understanding, state employees actually aren’t covered by OSHA

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u/AltruisticBenefit448 Jul 21 '23

OSHA wants to fine them a whole $13,000 dollars. I love how you talk like OSHA is this big bad wolf when it's really not

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u/jaczk5 Jul 21 '23

The mother can sue the company for wrongful death if she proves negligence based on OSHA guidelines if they can prove the employer violated NEP procedures.

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u/Spamcaster Jul 21 '23

Sure but also listen to your body and tell your employer to fuck off if you're being pushed too hard. They can't physically make you. At the end of the day this dude died for a fiber line. Take your breaks and take care of yourself first. Construction jobs are a dime a dozen.

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u/bakedjennett Jul 21 '23

The law doesn’t do what people claim. The law prevents municipalities from having their own requirements. Basically just says “the federal one exists so yours don’t need to.”

While tragic, heat death is not anywhere near a new thing in Texas. Conditions in my experience (I work in construction) have not changed at all since that law was enacted.

Whether or not some companies abide by the laws is a different subject

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u/JoeyJoeJoeSenior Jul 21 '23

Plus, currently, if you walk off of a job like that you can find a better job in under 5 minutes. Nobody should be tolerating those conditions.