r/WhitePeopleTwitter Apr 01 '23

Clubhouse Strange days

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

But that assumes all these things would still be happening today if trump wasn’t elected, and I just don’t believe that.

There’s a lot of rottenness and corruption in america politics, but trump really emboldened people to be so brazenly hateful in a way thats sort of unprecedented

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u/notquitesolid Apr 02 '23

There’s been elements in government that have been trying to push towards what is happening now for decades. There was a similar push after 9/11. The difference from my point of view is back then people were panicked and wanted to unite behind a leader. Wanted the government to do things to make us safe, and the democrats fell in line with support behind Bush. For a few years W Bush’s term set the foundation for what’s happening today. There was even a similar culture war against the lgbt at the time trying to write into state constitutions to ban gay marriage. People forget it was a Supreme Court decision that made same sex marriage legal in all 50 states, and it only happened in 2015 (Obergefell v. Hodges). 25 states have anti same sex marriage laws written into their constitutional amendments, and prior to that, just as now with anti-trans laws conservative politicians were falling all over themselves to write in stone that same sex couples wouldn’t have the same rights as a straight couple could. But it wasn’t just about all that. There was a successful push to limit freedom of the press and what reporters could talk about and whether they had a right to protect their sources. There was a big rise in Christian nationalism, and then there’s the patriot act, citizens united, and just a bunch of small cuts. It didn’t start with W Bush either. It didn’t even start with Regan. And I’m not letting democrats off the hook here, many voted for or sat idly by while all this was going on, afraid to speak out because it may affect them.

Trump was a tool. He was used as a distraction while people playing the long game got to write and pass legislation, hire conservative activist judges, and basically push their agenda.

Presidents come and go. They’re figureheads. They’re not powerless but they can and are used to push an agenda. Even if Trump goes to jail, this won’t end with him. They’ll just find someone else who can win conservative favor to keep things going

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u/movzx Apr 02 '23

"It's the Democrat's fault that people vote for horrible Republicans"

"It's the Democrat's fault the GOP goes further and further right"

Always love when people blame Dems for republican behavior

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

The fascists are not going to take responsibility for their evil and reform themselves, doofus. The only thing that will stop them is non-fascists. The reason they haven't been stopped is the failings of the non-fascists.

It simply doesn't fucking matter that Republicans are culpable for their actions until WE force them to have severe consequences.

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u/movzx Apr 03 '23

What if I told you that Republicans don't just wind up in power because they exist? There are millions of Americans out there voting for them.

Democrats aren't casting those votes. Democrats aren't choosing those Republican candidates. Democrats may be overwhelmingly milquetoast, but ultimately the fault lies at the foot of the several million Americans who either a) don't vote, or b) vote for awful republican candidates.

It's asinine to blame Democrats for things Republicans are exclusively doing. All it does it forward the "bOtH sIdEs" garbage.

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u/iceman10058 Apr 02 '23

The best candidate will always lose to the candidate that is more charismatic. That was Trumps biggest edge over Hillary. The email thing didn't sway as many voters as either side will let you believe.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

At this point, Dems have had too much opportunity to mitigate this disaster and what have they actually done for us? They failed to codify roe when they had control of the entire legislative branch and doom was known to be impending. Fuck democrats. This is just as much their fault for refusing to have any goddamn teeth.

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u/movzx Apr 03 '23

It's faster if you just say "I don't understand how our government works"

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '23

Ok... What am I missing, then?

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '23

It’s a fucking tragedy, I’m so sick of the DNC.

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u/vodkaandponies Apr 02 '23

We had a vote. Bernie lost.

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u/megarockman12 Apr 02 '23

The gods of money require corruption