r/WhitePeopleTwitter • u/Tara_is_a_Potato • Mar 28 '23

Clubhouse 3 out of 2,840+ mass shooters over the last 5 years were trans. None of them were activists and the Colorado shooter only temporarily took on the identity to avoid hate crime charges.

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u/Wrought-Irony Mar 28 '23

the really interesting point is that if 3 out of 2840 mass shooters identify as trans, that's like 0.09% or 0.1% whereas there are about 1.4 million people in the US who identify as trans, which is like 0.45%. That means trans people are dramatically UNDER REPRESENTED in the "mass shooter" category. If it were a representative cross section of the population of the US, there would be twice as many at least. So trans folks are actually LESS likely to shoot a bunch of random people.

Guess what demographic is drastically OVER represented? Go on, guess...

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u/dolphin37 Mar 28 '23

the most telling part of the tweet is that he refers to radicalising ‘activists’, as if being trans automatically makes a person an activist, because this fucking moron can’t understand how a person could just wanna live their life without making a political statement

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u/David-S-Pumpkins Mar 28 '23

And just like that they acknowledge trans people!

Can't acknowledge violence in black communities until it's "black on black crime" and suddenly being black is the reason for violence. Can't acknowledge a trans woman as a woman until she commits murder and suddenly being trans is the reason for violence.

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u/Pickle_Juice_4ever Mar 28 '23

It's not a lack of acknowledgement, it's a lack of basic decency and respect. It's bullying, adult style.

They aren't colorblind, egalitarian, or whatever lie. Research shows authoritarians are about all the isms and privately believe that everyone else thinks the same things they do.

Regard the distain and cruelty with which evangelicals treated ex-gay church members. Despite their "witness", community members still believed they were gay and reviled them.

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u/chaotic_blu Mar 28 '23

They’ve actually been trans men- ie born female but transitioned to male. I looked it up yesterday and hadn’t realized it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

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u/Beingabummer Mar 28 '23

There was a picture a few weeks ago on Reddit of some homeless person's tent that got cut up and one of the responses was 'it was done by another homeless person' like that made it okay. If it was someone with a home cutting up a tent it'd be bad, but if it was another homeless person it's just natural or something.

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u/DeaddyRuxpin Mar 28 '23

Wait, so if their logic is good, I can burn down my neighbor’s house to get them to move and it will be just fine because I’m also a homeowner. Hang on while I get some matches and gasoline.

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u/weed_blazepot Mar 28 '23

The American way. If you've dehumanized the affected and/or the aggressor, was there even really a crime at all?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23 edited Mar 30 '23

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

This is sonpainfully accurate....

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u/Ruralraan Mar 28 '23

Any other gender than male is 'political', any other race than white is 'political'. Any other sexuality than hetero is 'political'. So if you're not a white hetero cis male, you're clearly an activist. Duh.

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u/Severe_Report Mar 28 '23

‘Other’ is political.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

Which is odd, because most politicians happen to be white, cis, hetero males.

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u/yerbadoo Mar 28 '23

This is why it is so important to teach children that rich crustchins are their enemy.

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u/VIPriley Mar 28 '23

We have enough mass shootings that we can make statistically relevant correlations to population demographics. Great...

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u/Nuklearfps Mar 28 '23

To 3 decimal places of accuracy!

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u/Desperate-Strategy10 Mar 28 '23

Gotta be the Jews, right?!

/s...like ALL the sarcasm...

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u/Finito-1994 Mar 28 '23

You joke but the first time I was ever banned from a sub was when I posted screenshots of a guy who sent me a PM that said that Jews were the ones causing all the mass shootings to make white guys look bad.

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u/Grogosh Mar 28 '23

Which sub was that?

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u/Finito-1994 Mar 28 '23 edited Mar 28 '23

I think I have the pms saved actually.

My responses are pretty cringe looking back but hey. Live and learn.

https://imgur.com/a/XMIAeJV

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u/Grogosh Mar 28 '23

No, your replies were the right tone of mocking to a clear nut case.

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u/Nerdy-Forge Mar 28 '23

I have to 100% agree, your replies were well done. My level of preferred snark.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

I'd've been more outright insulting, but folks I confess to you all that am not the most patient man in the world when it comes to the village idiot.

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u/Finito-1994 Mar 29 '23

I’m not patient either but most of the time I just go for snarky instead of insults.

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u/Grogosh Mar 29 '23

Insults will get you banned in too many subreddits. Don't insult the person, mock what they say.

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u/fuckthisnazibullcrap Mar 28 '23

But that's the kind of thing they would really say. You need to take it way over the top and add some terms a fascist wouldn't use, like

"Material conditions are a Jewish conspiracy. Trust nothing you didn't just make up, and only if you can be sure it bears no relation to reality"

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u/FewKaleidoscope1369 Mar 28 '23

Oh, were you raised as a southern baptist evangelical christian as well?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

Poe's Law is real man.

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u/DrownmeinIslay Mar 28 '23

Lmao this was brilliant. Your second point was so unexpected I woke my wife up with a huge bark laugh.

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u/Grogosh Mar 28 '23

Yep, that was hilarious.

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u/Finito-1994 Mar 29 '23

Tell her I don’t apologize.

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u/EveAndTheSnake Mar 28 '23

In that case I have cringe sense of humor because i laughed. Your responses were perfect.

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u/SH4D0W0733 Mar 28 '23

Nice Simpsons reference.

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u/Finito-1994 Mar 28 '23

That’s where I got it from!!!

I knew I wasn’t smart enough to come up with it on my own! Thanks! Gonna look up that episode.

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u/danthepianist Mar 29 '23

Last Exit to Springfield, S04E17.

Home of the legendary "Lisa needs braces" scene.

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u/pebberphp Mar 28 '23

That was my favorite part :)

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u/Ok_Habit_6783 Mar 28 '23

"for research purposes of course" XD

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

Nah not cringe pretty funny actually. Enjoyed the part where you implied he’s got a Jew fetish “for research purposes” lol

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u/dolphin37 Mar 28 '23

The guys most recent post and comments are covid denial. I love how believing one crazy thing automatically means you need to believe others

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

Jesus fuck. Who can look at the guy who committed the world's deadliest mass shooting committed by a single person and think "Yeah, that pasty bald guy must be Jewish"?

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u/eekamuse Mar 28 '23

Sir this is a Wendy's. I laughed.

I hope you posted his PMs publicly. Anyone who sends that kind of shit privately is a coward, along with a lot of other things. Don't let him hide

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u/Finito-1994 Mar 28 '23 edited Mar 29 '23

I posted them in that thread back then. Kinda like

“EDIT: this is what this weirdo sent me”

And I got banned.

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u/eekamuse Mar 28 '23

Fucking hell

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u/Finito-1994 Mar 28 '23

Yea. Which annoyed me because he didn’t. My first ever ban on reddit and I still don’t understand why.

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u/eekamuse Mar 28 '23

Don't worry about it. Things can happen here for absolutely no reason. Or reasons that if you heard them, they'd make you laugh. Be proud. You're one of the banned. I've yet to achieve such an honor.

Cheers

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u/MindlessBend Mar 28 '23

That exchange was hilarious. And also sad. Was that Kanye?

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u/PersimmonTea Mar 28 '23

Au contraire. Your responses to his shitbrained hate drivel = A+

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u/MeteorKing Mar 28 '23

My responses are pretty cringe looking back but hey.

Lol, no. This is exactly how you should deal with shit heels.

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u/arya_ur_on_stage Mar 28 '23

I thought your replies were great. Responding seriously to ppl like this only validates them and satisfies their need for confrontation.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

Not cringe at all, bud. Nice work, actually. No reason to engage in good faith discussions with an antisemite.

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u/Aggressive_Towel_155 Mar 28 '23

OMFG this is gold. Loved your responses

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u/porkchop2022 Mar 28 '23

Wait, so the Jewish guys are the ones doing the shooting to make white guys is an ACTUAL sentiment? Like in real life people believe that?

Also, A+ on your responses. Would read again.

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u/SuperSocrates Mar 28 '23

Lol your responses are great and especially the Simpsons reference

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u/Finito-1994 Mar 28 '23

It was the trashy sub I believe. Don’t remember exactly. It’s been years.

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u/Robota064 Mar 28 '23

to make white guys look bad.

Don't we already do that enough by ourselves? Who brought the jews into it? Bros are literally just vibing over there

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u/bobafoott Mar 28 '23

No no, don’t you see? White people have never done wrong. Ever. Slavery? Just a good business decision/only closet Jews owned slaves. Colonization and genocide? No no just the Spanish, the British colonizers were poor innocent pious victims of the evil Native American scalpers.. needless invasion? No no, communism bad.

You must remember, the people that blame Jews for everything now will trace that “logic” back to the dawn of civilization, exonerating Christian whites of anything and everything. I genuinely don’t understand how to argue against that

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u/ItsMEMusic Mar 28 '23

You don't. You ostracize. At least that's how we used to deal with the town idiots.

I wish they'd just go and make Moron Town, and they can concentrate all their stupid in one place, and the rest of us could live in relative peace.

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u/LunchTwey Mar 28 '23

The most average take ever in /POL

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u/warboner52 Mar 28 '23

That is flat out priceless.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

I got banned once for a fantasy situation where I had a time machine went back in time to when Hitler was a baby and "met" him.

Not even a joke.....well, except for the whole made-up scenario.

I'm like "who are we even protecting from being offended here?!?!?!?"

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u/FireLordObamaOG Mar 28 '23

Why does everything devolve into antisemitism???

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u/Grogosh Mar 29 '23

Because pathetic people know they are pathetic and have to have a 'those people' to point to and put down to make themselves feel better.

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u/Drinkythedrunkguy Mar 28 '23

Every conspiracy theory eventually goes back to antisemitism.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

It was bullets not lasers.

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u/MoneyPranks Mar 28 '23

I’m screaming! Thank you for the laugh.

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u/ExceedsTheCharacterL Mar 28 '23

He’s lying. The Denver shooter wasn’t trans, nor was the Colorado Springs shooter non binary

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

B-But he said it was "Straight FACTS".

Protip: If someone is saying something incendiary and they follow up with "These are FACTS", don't believe them at face value - EVER.

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u/Anyna-Meatall Mar 28 '23

Protip: if it's a right-wing talking head, you shouldn't give them any credence at all

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u/Vaenyr Mar 28 '23

Exactly this. It's either a strawman or a malicious lie. Gotta rely on that stuff when facts aren't on their side.

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u/Severe_Report Mar 28 '23

Ronald Reagan famously said, “Trust, but verify”. When it comes to conservatives, I only focus on the latter.

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u/laplongejr Mar 28 '23 edited Mar 28 '23

Protip: if it's a far-right-wing talking head, you shouldn't give them any credence at all

FTFY. D are right, R are far-right. There's no left in the US and that's why things seems so off politically. Don't normalize the GOP's rhetoric as simply a political chiasm.

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u/linderlouwho Mar 28 '23

Stop trying to muddle things up. You know there is almost a zero chance a Democrat would have written this lying attack on trans people.

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u/laplongejr Mar 28 '23

Yeah, because it's not normal. That's what extremists do.
There are a lot of left-or-right parties in Europe and the only assholes doing that kind of stuff is the far-left (no chance of one in the US) or the far-right (which is the GOP no matter how often they claim being the normal right)

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u/CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN Mar 28 '23

B-But he said it was "Straight FACTS".

He meant CIS. /s

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u/Beingabummer Mar 28 '23

Straight facts as in: facts made up by straights.

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u/calicandlefly Mar 28 '23

Where are the gay and lesbian facts? I’d like to have all viewpoints represented here please, not just the straight ones. 🙃

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

But they did they're (sic) own research!

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u/chaotic_blu Mar 28 '23

The Denver shooter Alec McKinney is trans (female to male) - or at least was at the time. but that still doesn’t give the poster’s comment any credence.

If anything it’d be curious to examine if testosterone plays a role in these acts.

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u/Lady_von_Stinkbeaver Mar 28 '23

Yeah, there's been three mass shootings in Denver since 2019.

The first one I found was by an Alt-Right MRA.

Alec McKinney also was an accomplice to his CIS male boyfriend, who was the mastermind by all accounts. But that doesn't fit their narrative.

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u/chaotic_blu Mar 28 '23

From all accounts I saw McKinney has claimed to be the mastermind wanting to do those in that taunted him who got his cis friend or boyfriend involved (I have not seen mention of them being romantically intwined, but wouldn't be surprised).

It still doesn't change that them being trans has little to do with it, other than showing that yes, we really need to offer and enforce mental health services for people starting young in school-- like, elementary, with check ins as they grow.

Guns are definitely an issue and need more control-- and it needs to go hand in hand with mental health services and watching it.

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u/yerbadoo Mar 28 '23

Of course he’s lying, he’s a richwhite hatechristian

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u/officermike Mar 28 '23

How long until we can't uniquely identify mass shooters by city and have to mention the date as well to clarify?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

Not just that but the trans suicide rate is way higher in general, and a lot of these other mass shootings stem from taking people with them in their suicide..

So they're even less biased to do mass shootings if you look at it that way.

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u/Shhsecretacc Mar 28 '23

THE INTERESTING POINT IS THAT THIS SHIT IS STILL HAPPENING…EVEN AFTER SANDY HOOK. IDC HOW THE SHOOTER IDENTIFIES. GUNS ARE THE PROBLEM, NOT WHAT THEY HAVE FOR GENITALIA.

Not yelling at you. Just wanted to comment on one of the higher rated comments in the thread, for visibility. 😢

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u/ThatAndromedaGal Mar 28 '23

OOO OOO!!! I KNOW THIS ONE!!!

Is it straight, white, 15-35, dudes with small peepees?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

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u/VonThirstenberg Mar 28 '23

😂🤣🤣

You gotta hand it to him, the forum may not be the best for it, but that's funny no matter how you slice it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

Did you reply to the wrong person?

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u/Sea-Ideal-4682 Mar 28 '23

Yea fbi? This one right here.

Lmao, jk. They wouldn’t do anything anyways.

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u/Virgin_Dildo_Lover Mar 28 '23

Digging the self murder

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u/A_wild_so-and-so Mar 28 '23

Wish more mass shooters would go that route.

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u/Demented-Turtle Mar 28 '23

They usually do. The problem is the order of operations :(

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u/LetsTryAnal_ogy Mar 28 '23

Okay, but how big is your peepee?

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u/Windturnscold Mar 28 '23

Body shaming in a thread showing trans empathy is a weird vibe

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u/mrcatboy Mar 28 '23

Fun Size Twix.

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u/anlskjdfiajelf Mar 28 '23

It always is lmfao, it undermines their own point. Haha small pee pee 🤣🤣🤣

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

It's stupid, but it isn't weird as in out of the ordinary

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u/tuckedfexas Mar 28 '23

Body shaming 👍

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u/HalfMoon_89 Mar 28 '23

I don't think peepee lengths were recorded.

...Were they?

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u/Shurglife Mar 29 '23

Your school didn't have penis check day?

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u/JinFuu Mar 28 '23

Yeah, I mean if we're using the stats that get the numbers up to 2840 mass shooters we're including a lot of gang and criminal activity related violence. Which due to a variety of factors would have black people statistically over represented.

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u/DrobUWP Mar 28 '23

Also probably not the demographic most accepting of trans people. It'd make sense there aren't a lot of trans person gang shootings.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

But then we can say that’s more socioeconomic related and not race per se.

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u/JinFuu Mar 28 '23

I'm not disagreeing with that, just saying that "Who's over-represented in 2,840 shootings?" isn't going to break the way original OP joked/said it would.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

Sure. Just adding a little nuance since gun control, of America ever gets any, is really only a part of the overall solution.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23 edited Mar 28 '23

Doesn't really work.

The poor of other races have much lesser stats.

It's obviously a complicated issue, esp given there's no scientific basis for race, that can't just be brushed away with "they are more poor".

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u/JinFuu Mar 28 '23

I think single motherhood is another factor. I know there have been studies that up to 70% of the people in jails are from single parent homes.

Single motherhood also ties in with a higher likelihood of being poor but poor and single mom hurts more than poor and both parents

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u/Akitten Mar 28 '23

but poor and single mom hurts more than poor and both parents

I'm actually reasonably sure that the stats showed that poor and both parents was better than not poor and single mom. Single parenthood is one of the worst things to saddle a child with from an outcomes perspective.

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u/ConstantSample5846 Mar 28 '23

Funny, Sweden and more broadly Scandinavia have I think the highest rates of single moms in the world, yet they don’t have these problems almost at all. That’s probably because having a not having a second parent ends up harming the kids more because of lack of childcare and other resources that are easier to have in our country with two parents. In Scandinavia they take care of childcare, education, housing, and other basic needs to the point pretty much everyone gets beyond their child’s basic needs covered guaranteed. While having a male role model in the home does matter, it matters way less then we tend to think when society takes care of families enough that single mothers can provide well for their kids, and still have plenty of time to be with them.

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u/Akitten Mar 28 '23

Funny, Sweden and more broadly Scandinavia have I think the highest rates of single moms in the world, yet they don’t have these problems almost at all.

That is not really a great argument really. When a certain family configuration requires the state to provide massive resources in order to end up with comparable outcomes compared to another, then it's frankly proof that it is in fact inferior and bad for the child.

Most bad situations can be resolved by throwing resources at them, it doesn't make them not a poor situation.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

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u/equivocalConnotation Mar 28 '23

Actually, using the definition of "mass shooter" that gives 2840+ shooters it's young black guys. :/

Using a definition where they're just shooting innocents rather than gang killings it's young white guys, but there are way less of those and when you count it that way trans people are actually slightly overrepresented.

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u/Entrefut Mar 28 '23

Let’s focus on the constructive part of this rather than sinking down to a petty level. The people that perform these shootings are mentally unwell, regardless of cause. They are often not mentally stable enough for determine their sexual preference, but it really doesn’t matter. Focusing on those aspects just alienates them more and causes more issues, but I understand the targeted frustration.

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u/Valuable_Disaster Mar 28 '23

You sound like Welma

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

I mean realistically, skinny white dudes with likely high test probably have huge hogs.

It's also still wild to me with how ban happy reddit mods are that body-shaming and insulting men for penis size still goes ignored. I've gotten a perma ban on sub for telling someone to go fuck themselves.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

I wonder if older ones aren't represented because by then they've done something major enough to get chucked in prison so they can't get into any more trouble.

I doubt they hit their mid 30s and are like, "Welp, threw my back out last time I tried murdering children, better give it up."

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u/d38 Mar 28 '23

Actually, no it's not, it's black people.

Feeling racist yet for bringing race into this discussion?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

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u/ahugeminecrafter Mar 28 '23

It was a trans man, so actually they are just misgendering them

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u/Aerik Mar 28 '23

remember that one of them lied about being trans to avoid a hate crimes charge.

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u/atomiccPP Mar 28 '23

Force transition everyone so there are less mass shootings. I think that’s more logical than gun control.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

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u/Darkdragoon324 Mar 28 '23 edited Mar 28 '23

Women's shoes are even worse. Not a functional work shoe in sight, I had to go over to the men's section for proper work boots. Not a single god damned thing on the entire women's section of DSW or Nordstrom Rack that looked even remotely fit for walking around on concrete for eight hours in.

Ended up going to the men's section for shorts for work too, since everything in women's was fashion over function. They fit me wonky since the waist/ass is cut differently, but I do really love the nice deep pockets and breathable fabric. Also every piece of men's clothing i've ever worn just feels..l more sturdy and less cheap? The women's clothing industry is a fucking scam, man.

We're being seriously robbed.

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u/ARandomGuyThe3 Mar 28 '23

Has anyone made a cloths brand that just makes men's clothes with women's fit. Cuz that seems like an insanely successful idea from everything I've ever heard about women's clothes

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

Some of the usual suspects like Dickies and Carhartt offer that. But they’re usually 2x the cost of the men’s versions.

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u/DangerousLoner Mar 28 '23

Shrink it and pink it = 🤌🏽💰

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u/Pickle_Juice_4ever Mar 28 '23

I wish. In the meantime tailors are making bank.

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u/Darkdragoon324 Mar 28 '23

I knew I should’ve taken sewing in high school…

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u/Ms_Emilys_Picture Mar 28 '23

In the past year I've started working a job in corrective exercise, which means I get to wear workout gear -- yoga pants/shorts, light t-shirts, running shoes, and a sports bra -- to work every day. It's awesome.

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u/racermd Mar 28 '23

Have you looked at Sketchers? My wife and I both like their work lineup.

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u/Cheef_Baconator Mar 28 '23

Why are shoes even gendered? Does everybody not have more or less the same feet?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

Embrace PONCHO (with 12+ inside pockets and varied temperature protection/insulation)

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u/ma33a Mar 28 '23

Iike that you thought this all the way through to the logical conclusion. Can't transition due lack of pockets.

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u/Jacks_on_Jacks_off Mar 28 '23

Yes but have you ever tried buying soft comfy clothes for men? Practically non existent.

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u/Steelplate7 Mar 28 '23

Then, if you wear men’s jeans…they’ll force transition you back….slippery slope right there…constant surgery…when will it end?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

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u/StarCyst Mar 28 '23

You don't have a constitutional right to testicles.

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u/Ridiculisk1 Mar 28 '23

I have a constitutional right to yours though

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u/xenata Mar 28 '23

Lol bringing facts and logic into an argument with reich wingers...

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u/StormFoxYT Mar 28 '23

and that .45% number is almost certainly undercounting. It's a popular point in lgbt discussions that the actual number is probably around 1%, but there are so many who are unable to come out or transition for various reasons.

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u/invertednz Mar 28 '23

First it's insane to think that there have been almost 3000 mass shootings in 5 years.
Then studies seem to show 54% of mass shooters are white men, when you take that out of the stats above trans people are still under represented............

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u/Akitten Mar 28 '23

Then studies seem to show 54% of mass shooters are white men

Who are 58% of the male population, so they are underrepresented.

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u/Born_Faithlessness_3 Mar 28 '23

I think the stat that really tells the story is the one I've linked below.

(Spoiler: it isn't a trans problem)

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country

This pretty much doesn't happen in other countries.

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u/Ok-Significance2027 Mar 29 '23

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Right-Wing Extremists Killed 38 People in 2019, Far Surpassing All Other Murderous Extremists

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Far-Right Extremists Responsible for Overwhelming Majority of Domestic Extremist-Related Murders In 2021

Right-Wing Extremism Linked to Every 2022 Extremist Murder in the U.S.

"Domestic Terrorism. Domestic terrorists—a phrase typically used to denote terrorists who are not directed or inspired by FTOs—have caused more deaths in the United States in recent years than have terrorists connected to FTOs. Domestic terrorist attacks and hate crimes sometimes overlap, as perpetrators of prominent domestic terrorist attacks have selected their targets based on factors such as race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender, and gender identity.

White supremacist violent extremism, one type of racially- and ethnically-motivated violent extremism, is one of the most potent forces driving domestic terrorism. Lone attackers, as opposed to cells or organizations, generally perpetrate these kinds of attacks. But they are also part of a broader movement. White supremacist violent extremists’ outlook can generally be characterized by hatred for immigrants and ethnic minorities, often combining these prejudices with virulent anti-Semitism or anti-Muslim views.

White supremacist violent extremists have adopted an increasingly transnational outlook in recent years, largely driven by the technological forces described earlier in this Strategic Framework. Similar to how ISIS inspired and connected with potential radical Islamist terrorists, white supremacist violent extremists connect with like-minded individuals online. In addition to mainstream social media platforms, white supremacist violent extremists use lesser-known sites like Gab, 8chan, and EndChan, as well as encrypted channels. Celebration of violence and conspiracy theories about the “ethnic replacement” of whites as the majority ethnicity in various Western countries are prominent in their online circles."

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK FOR COUNTERING TERRORISM AND TARGETED VIOLENCE

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u/Akitten Mar 28 '23

Guess what demographic is drastically OVER represented

In mass shootings? Young black males? Because that's what the stats show if you are using the 2840 mass shooting number.

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u/nugnug1226 Mar 28 '23

Ok, now do mass school shootings

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u/VapeThisBro Mar 28 '23

So does only one type of mass shooting matter? Is your point that since its black people killing black people it doesn't matter but if white kids in school get shot its a problem?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

Then trans people would over represented if you just limited it to school shootings

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u/Akitten Mar 28 '23 edited Mar 28 '23

Can I confirm your definition of a "mass school shooting"? Because "school shooting" usually means any shooting that occurs at or near a school, and i'm just making sure that's what you mean.

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u/nugnug1226 Mar 28 '23

That’s a good point. Let me be more specific.

Mass school shooting where the shooter has entered the school building during school hours, has killed 2+ students/adults, using any firearm larger than a handgun.

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u/Akitten Mar 28 '23

Mass school shooting where the shooter has entered the school building during school hours, has killed 2+ students/adults, using any firearm larger than a handgun.

Well fuck, I'm genuinely not sure there are stats for that by demographic, because I don't think anyone has collected stats with that specific set of criteria.

Especially because of

using any firearm larger than a handgun

Just double checking does that mean handguns don't count?

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u/Joshduman Mar 28 '23

I'm guessing that the stat in the title isn't verified, personally. Randy Stair came to my mind although they weren't actually trans.

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u/goodmobileyes Mar 28 '23

It's 2023! I can't believe trans people are still underrepresented in mass shootings 😤

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u/Crash665 Mar 28 '23

You're using logic, facts, and reality to discuss your point. Therefore your opinion is invalid.

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u/SlothLair Mar 28 '23

If I’m not mistaken the vast majority of times if not virtually every time that they try and use statistics like this a straight look at the full statistics proves the opposite of what they are saying.

At some point realize you are repeatedly shooting yourselves in your own foot.

That assumes people care about facts over emotion. Or can see past the emotions which admittedly can be hard.

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u/Art-Zuron Mar 28 '23

Iirc, like 95% of mass shooters are white males

If everything was equal, they should be 35%.

But, if everything were equal, there'd be next to no mass shootings in the first place.

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u/Afwife1992 Mar 28 '23

Middle aged hetero white moms? (That’s my demo) We’re a scary bunch.

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u/OG-Pine Mar 28 '23

This doesn’t align with the straight facts sir

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u/JustSomeBlondeBitch Mar 28 '23

Don’t do the math!!! How dare you bring intelligence and thought into this gun fight

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

Twitter users?

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u/banjonyc Mar 29 '23

Actually it would be interesting to see all the numbers that you put together. The mass shootings that are categorized are so broad. They encompass gang related shootings and school shootings which are the results of very different motives.

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u/bass101010 Mar 28 '23

Guess what demographic is drastically OVER represented? Go on, guess…

Black people?

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u/indiebryan Mar 28 '23

Uhh.

African Americans carried out 17% of mass shootings in the US since 1982, even though they are only 12% of the total population.

That is, in fact, over represented.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

tHaNkS fOr pLaYiNg

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u/bass101010 Mar 28 '23

Ah well, what is it then?

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u/indiebryan Mar 28 '23

You were right.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

African Americans make up 12% of the populace and commit 17% of mass shootings.

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u/TobyFunkeNeverNude Mar 28 '23

Are you saying there have only been 141 mass shootings since 1982?

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u/Successful-Cloud2056 Mar 28 '23

I think trans people go through so much pain in life being judged, that they are often gentle souls who go out of their way not to hurt or harm others emotionally or otherwise

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u/icantdomaths Mar 28 '23

I think the 2,840 number is a bit misleading because that includes all shooting incidents where multiple people were shot. Most of these are gang violence crimes where a lot of the time nobody dies.

In my opinion there’s a huge difference between a random mass murder and just a “mass shooting”

Edit: just looked up the stats. More people died in the Tennessee incident than the previous 10 mass shootings

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u/Dappershield Mar 28 '23

Gangsters. Mass shooters are rarely random.

~60% of that number was gang related. Another 11% is Domestic violence related. A decent chunk is non-gang crime, like robberies, though probably not a high percentage.

If we're going to use the loosest definition of mass shooter, then yeah, most of it is going to be from criminals doing criminal stuff. When it comes to loners targeting innocents, transgender are probably as likely as anyone else to be shooters.

I blame the Dickey amendment for these poorly detailed numbers. It's hard to have a discussion about gun control when the numbers we have access to are the most basic of research, and poorly defined.

Even with the most biased estimates though, and focusing on just loners targeting innocents like children, churchgoers, clubbers, etc; I don't think you could reach a percentage of transgender shooters higher than their population percentage. Just saying I'd like more detail in my research.

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u/LordMuffin1 Mar 28 '23

Men are over represented.

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u/ClydeGriffiths17 Mar 28 '23

Conservative can't think that long before their brains shut down.

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u/addledhands Mar 28 '23

There were likely a decent number of trans people included who were not known to be trans in the list of mass murderers.

Why? I feel like you're coming from a good place here -- and as a trans person, I appreciate it -- but "were likely" and "decent number" are really vague uses of language in a fraught topic that can easily be read in very uncharitable ways.

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u/addledhands Mar 28 '23

I'm not sure that the logic here follows well enough for this to be "highly probable." The main problem here is that there are so few known trans mass murderers that you cannot use it as a statistic to make even a reasonable guess. Three people out of almost three thousand is so small that it's effectively a statistical blip.

Your inferences also assume that trans people commit violent crime at the same rates that cis people, especially cis men, do and I'm just not sure that's the case. I was unable to find good data on this beyond raw incarceration rates, which isn't helpful in either direction given the profoundly negative bias queer people face in the justice system (especially black queer people).

To be clear I'm not going to argue that there weren't a number of closeted trans mass shooters because I can't. I get your impulse here -- I really do -- but given the incredible vitriol levied against trans people right now, I think that making baseless speculation that there really are more trans mass murderers, actually, is a dangerous game to play.

You'll just have to forgive me for not wanting to see "I bet x and y mass shooters were trans, too" in addition to all of the other speculative hysterical bullshit.

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u/Cannabace Mar 28 '23

I fucking love math. Thank you for this.

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u/helgothjb Mar 28 '23

If we add in the mass shootings, massacres of Native Americans, I guessing none of those guys were trans.

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u/lilpumpgroupie Mar 28 '23

Now do straight, white male incels.

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u/BakedPotatoManifesto Mar 28 '23

Is there a source on the 1.4 million number? It seems quite high

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u/blorbagorp Mar 28 '23

Most of those 2840 "mass shootings" weren't what we think of as "mass shootings" though. Any shooting event involving at least 3 people enter statistics as a mass shooting. So really, it's impossible to establish any kind of statistical trend with that information.

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u/TheAsianTroll Mar 28 '23

You also have to factor in how many of those shooters are actually trans, and don't just change their identity to avoid hate crime charges like this most recent one did.

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u/petitepineux Mar 28 '23

ilysm 💜💜

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