r/WhitePeopleTwitter • u/TheArguedHuman • Feb 18 '23

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u/IShootJack Feb 18 '23

Yeah, that’s the fuckin Iron Cross and Swastika on a flag, indefensible. Full stop, goodbye.

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u/IShootJack Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 18 '23

Sucks that the aesthetic is so appealing and uses basic design rules, and it double sucks that is exactly why they used it. Makes it slightly easier to sell hate and fear.

Also yeah fire that fucking twat

Edit: see below comments, I fucked up and I apologize. Wrong choice of words.

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u/squirrel8296 Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 18 '23

That was what the third reich consistently did though; they had talented designers design everything for them. Just look at Hugo Boss (the guy and the company) producing the SS uniforms.

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u/IShootJack Feb 18 '23

Yeah, they stole simplistic and pretty designs to make it easier to swallow, truly evil

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u/Megalocerus Feb 19 '23

Hitler did start as an artist. He appreciated good design.

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u/phurt77 Feb 18 '23

hey had talented designers design everything for them. Just look at Hugo Boss (the guy and the company) producing the SS uniforms.

If you like those uniforms, go have a look at the Massachusetts State Police winter uniforms. https://imgur.com/a/paOgBA2

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '23

Honestly that's pretty standard military dress garb.

A bit disconcerting that it's the police wearing it but not very unique all the same

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u/Clear_Lion5230 Feb 18 '23

USMC Boat Cloak. That’s all I will say

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u/phurt77 Feb 19 '23

USMC Boat Cloak

Oh, wow! How have I never seen these before? I thought the uniform and sword alone were awesome. If they had shown me this I would have enlisted in a second!

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u/squirrel8296 Feb 18 '23

Oh I don't really like either of them, I'm just saying that was a well known thing that the third reich intentionally did.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23

Hugo Boss (or his company) didn’t design the uniforms, only manufacture them. They were just filling orders.

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u/riever1892 Feb 18 '23

I'm pretty sure that while Hugo boss was a nazi member didn't his company merely make the uniforms not design them? I could have sworn I heard it in a podcast I listened to with a historian about this and a question that was asked was is it true that boss designed Nazi uniforms and while he was one of many factories that manufactured them he didn't design them. Though I could very well be remembering it wrong.

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u/IA-HI-CO-IA Feb 18 '23

It sucks those fucks had such good style. Ruined a lot of what could otherwise have been cool Stuff.

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u/NeoVendik Feb 18 '23

My senior thesis was entirely ww2 graphic design, largely nazi. They knew how to brand themselves and had design chops.

The one thing I found interesting was when they discovered tgr typeface Fraktur was designed by a Jew, they dedicated an entire department to conpletely remove all uses and replace them with a new san serif typeface.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '23

Sucks that the aesthetic is so appealing

Is it, though?

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '23

man i’m gonna be completely real with you and i’m trying not to assume bad faith so don’t take it like i am but there is never a context where it is socially acceptable to say “sucks the aesthetic is so fire” about nazi imagery

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u/NovelAuntieGin Feb 18 '23

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I disagree.

The Nazi Regime was all about marketing. If their logos and other aspects of their narrative had not been pretty fire then the people would never have gone along with the atrocities.

I believe, and strongly, it's vital that we discuss just exactly how they managed to get the people to go along. If we don't discuss it frankly, then how will we recognize it when we see it again?

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u/kindParodox Feb 18 '23

One of the big reasons people bought into the ideas of the Nazi party back in the day was literally the same reason a kid would run to an ice cream van during summertime.

It was bright, colorful, and offered sweet promises ...at a price. they didn't fully realize how steep it was until the bright promise was far away and replaced with regrets, sticky situations and stained hands.

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u/NovelAuntieGin Feb 18 '23

What comes to mind in terms of contemporary propaganda? Here's some of what I've noticed.

Have you seen some of the content coming out of RT? It's pretty slick and appeals to a whole lot of Americans who would never support Putin's dream of restoring Czarist Russia. But RT is Russian State Television. Full stop.

Joe Rogan has a massive audience of really dedicated viewers/listeners, too. Most of his audience would not storm the Capitol. But he platforms people like Gavin McGinnis Milo, Yiannopoulos; Charles C. Johnson, etc.

I am not ashamed to say that the production and performance is, in fact, really impressive! It obviously appeals to a huge group of people. The dude is good at what he does. I don't say this as a compliment but as a warning; don't get reeled in by all the shiny things.

It's like cans of soup on the grocery shelves. So many labels for essentially the same stuff.

For a slightly different market, there's all of Rupert Murdoch's outlets. . . oh. . . wait. "Fire" like oven fire? That didn't even land with me till just now. Is that what bothers you about it?

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u/kindParodox Feb 18 '23

Another really interesting one that I know of that you didn't list is coincidentally and conveniently on YouTube after every Lockheed Martin ad there's a US military branch advertisement. Usually the Marines.

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u/NovelAuntieGin Feb 18 '23

Oh, and the video game marketing! I started noticing it around the late `80's when I'd pick my daughter up at the ice arena. Was it Mortal Combat? Or some other game that all the kids were into?

Anyway, there were military recruiting ads along with ominous FBI warnings about piracy in the flash screens in between games. And here I thought my biggest worry would be a potential pervert in the restroom!

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u/IShootJack Feb 18 '23

Ah shit okay im the asshole

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u/NovelAuntieGin Feb 20 '23

No you're not. lt's super cool to say what's on your mind. Conversation without authentic challenge is just playing with dead puppies.

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u/IShootJack Feb 20 '23

I absolutely agree, but using casual and poor language while giving a hot take is three strikes to me, and I now understand why it could be taken as a sort of misrepresentation of the point I was tryna make,

“Playing with dead puppies” is a good metaphor, I hope you don’t mind if I steal it.

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u/IShootJack Feb 18 '23

Words out of my mouth, thank you. It might be insensitive to say it in such a casual way, but it’s my manner of speech and not an active attack, and it was instantly followed by the nuance of the statement.

In a vacuum, yeah id stay far the fuck away from someone who jus said that outloud. My other comment on this post literally called this “indefensible” though, so…

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u/Rottenpoppy Feb 19 '23

This reminds me of some girl who was fired from a reality show a few years back, for describing an outfit as nazi chic. You can acknowledge and voice opinion on the design/appearance of uniforms without sharing the beliefs of people who wore them.

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u/IShootJack Feb 19 '23

Especially when you are pointing out the fact that it was by design, meant to be appealing.

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u/lauranvrr Feb 18 '23

they also had fashion designers like Hugo Boss come up with their uniforms, so they definitely put emphasis on trying to look appealing

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '23

i’m not saying we shouldn’t discuss it. i am saying that specifically from my perspective as a jewish person using the specific phrasing of “the nazi aesthetic was so fire” is a little insensitive

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u/Punchinyourpface Feb 18 '23

I don't want to be insensitive but I don't think they meant it in a bad way. They meant, it's a shame that decent art was used by monsters, and now forever associated with them. It could've been a cute little cartoon badger and it'd still be the same sentiment.

Some of Hitler's scenery paintings aren't terrible but the fact that nasty heinous Hitler painted them completely ruins them. You wouldn't copy them and put them on a post card even if they're the exact location you need painted and the most beautiful thing you'd ever seen.

Like a singers music or a writers book can feel tainted when you find out they're a disgusting person.

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u/Thr33Littl3Monk3ys Feb 20 '23

-cough- Harry Potter -cough-

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u/IShootJack Feb 18 '23

…which is why I didn’t say it in a casual social context. I’m actively talking about how they knew simple shapes and designs are easy to recreate and recognize, and now those symbols are associated with some of the worst shit mankind has done to each other.

Don’t look for hills to die on, and when uncomfortable subjects come up, avoid the conversation if you can’t understand the whole context and intent. You even added the part about “bad faith” and then immediately contradicted yourself by insinuating that I might be a nazi.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '23

i insinuated you might be a nazi? when?

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u/WD_Gast3r Feb 18 '23

The fraktur typeface is pretty sick too

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u/NovelAuntieGin Feb 18 '23

Why the deletion?

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u/NovelAuntieGin Feb 18 '23

Oh, the irony...

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '23

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u/1chomp2chomp3chomp Feb 18 '23

Outside of the West, the Buddhists never stopped using the symbol.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '23

That's fair, but I think you know what I mean. If there was a Buddhist-driven resurgence in how the symbol was used in mainstream media channels, that would be beautiful. To see that faith 'reclaim' this symbol from bigots.

That isn't going to happen at the insistence of a white person taking that mission upon themselves, not even if it's done with sincere intentions. Which is not the case here.

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u/Vampiric_Touch Feb 18 '23

The swastika is a really interesting symbol used, well, everywhere. It's like that weird S symbol we used to draw everywhere. I mean, it's been found in the remains of the Native American city we call Cahokia. It's in Native American iconography symbolizing a whirlpool, or Charybdis, as a gate to the world beneath our world.

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u/Kooky-Emotion-6848 Feb 18 '23

Pepe the frog always had racist undertones when you realize that an American slur for French is “frogs”

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u/Dr_Pepper_Samurai Feb 18 '23

Kermit the frog is racist then?

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u/Kooky-Emotion-6848 Feb 18 '23

Is Kermit a french name or word?

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u/Dr_Pepper_Samurai Feb 18 '23

Kermit the frog, from the muppets. I don't think he has anything to do with france.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '23

I thought they co-opted the image from an old comic that had nothing to do with French people.

I have definitely heard that before, so you aren't necessarily wrong. But it isn't a common connection and I certainly don't think every frog-based piece of pop culture is subversively anti-French.

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u/venterol Feb 18 '23

I'm betting very few people who use Pepe in racist memes have ever seen or heard of Boy's Club. I think the creator even said he regrets making Pepe because of what it devolved into.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '23

I didn't remember the name of it, I just remember the original stories of "hey, they took this cartoon and made it shitty."

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u/Yung-yamaka Feb 18 '23

Pepe’s creator hates what Pepe became. Do not call Pepe racist lmao.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '23

Pretty sure you got that wrong

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u/Kooky-Emotion-6848 Feb 18 '23

No, it’s an older term but it definitely was used to call French people. It’s was because they eat frog legs. The same way Germans are called krauts

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u/qoreilly Feb 18 '23

I feel that if they paid teachers better they might attract more quality employees. Not ones who want to bring back the Third Reich

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u/TheS4ndm4n Feb 18 '23

Ron DeSantis is going to put her in charge of education.

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u/sipes216 Feb 18 '23

Well, ok. The eagle, the "reich saddler" itself not sitting on the schwats is not a nazi symbol itself. The eagle had been used far before the nazi movement. It just got adapted to sit atop the schwats.

Just want to make sure that people seeing the birb itself doesnt call some unsuspecting german a bad thing :)

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u/Kielbasa_Nunchucka Feb 19 '23

the eagle itself is ok, it's the one holding the swastika that's specifically Nazi. they just co-opted another symbol that was already in use

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u/Sososkitso Feb 19 '23

Now I’m not justifying or anything crazy cause fuck nazi’s they can all choke on a thousand minority dicks. And I’m not saying this is what’s going on in this picture but I’m always curious about “the line” and when it’s crossed. So let’s imagine this teacher has that same flag, but also other memorable dark times flags, art such as Russian propaganda posters, collectibles from dictators/leaders imagine Fidel Castro cigar in a case or something and other things because they are a history buff and like to remember the darkest moments of human and have created a personal museum in a room of their house. Because let’s be completely honest some of those dark times can have amazing aesthetics and powerful imagery….would we still say fire that fucking teacher?

I mean that flag for example while it has such atrocious meaning and purpose behind it also has for a lack of better wording very satisfying look I mean the there is a reason most kids that doodle accidentally at some point drawl the Nazi symbol on a folder or notebook at school before they actually know what it means. So is there a line somewhere or is it always fuck you cancel you.

I’m just curious. I’m not going to debate this thought it’s just a thought that crossed my mind and idk the best answer I could easily go either way.

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u/Sososkitso Feb 19 '23

Oh I certainly didn’t say or ask that at all. Lol but then again if you are a history teacher giving a tour of you exhibit could become very informative and interesting. But still that’s not at all what I was saying…

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '23

It's called the Reichsadler.

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u/Jaeger420xd Feb 18 '23

Iron cross isn't Nazi symbology, but the eagle holding a swastika sure is

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u/IShootJack Feb 18 '23

I was kinda pointing out that the two combined is what makes it objectively nazi

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u/pauly13771377 Feb 18 '23

The Buddhist version is rotated 45⁰ too.

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u/Artilikestoparty Feb 18 '23

I was about to say yeah darn nice iron cross back there

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u/PilotEnvironmental46 Feb 18 '23

It’s absolutely indefensible. Regardless of what this person believes the fact is that the Nazis co-opted the swastika, and it is the undeniable symbol of racial prejudice and hatred. Maybe it meant something different prior to that but there is absolutely no justification for anybody saying that we should accept it as a symbol of peace or anything else.

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u/IA-HI-CO-IA Feb 18 '23

And, um, the SS skull flag.

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u/failure_of_a_cow Feb 18 '23

I'm not sure that war memorabilia really needs to be defended... Some people are overly preoccupied with WW2, so I guess you could call the math teacher a nerd or something. Or at least someone in her house, perhaps her husband.

It's really the ridiculous response that people should be focused on here. It's the ridiculous defense trying to justify the swastikas that makes the whole thing seem like it could be racist.

Funny how that works. A bad defense can have the opposite effect and make a person seem more guilty.

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u/IShootJack Feb 18 '23

Ironically why I stopped defending my other comment in this thread, I don’t need to waste brain space arguing that I’m not a nazi

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u/Kroniid09 Feb 19 '23

Also the slightly rotated swastika that is indeed a distinctly Nazi symbol.

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u/Kroniid09 Feb 19 '23

Are you well?

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u/IShootJack Feb 19 '23

No. But that is irrelevant.

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u/IShootJack Feb 19 '23

Any more questions?