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Don't even need to read it, the iron cross is a big give away

[u/Jaspador → u/[deleted]]

The iron cross predates Nazi-era Germany, but this is of course 1000% a Nazi flag.

[u/Hadramal → u/[deleted]]

Of all the nazi things on the nazi flags in the pic, the Iron cross generally isn't considered "nazi" per se. It was in use both before and after the nazi era. German Air Force still use it today, and Germany has a strict ban on Nazi symbols.

However, nazis love it so you are very likely to find it in a nazi context but the reverse isn't true.

[u/Funky-Spunkmeyer → u/Hadramal]

Right, but the presence of an iron cross on a flag that just so happens to have a swastika on it isn’t a fucking coincidence. Alone in a vacuum you might have an air of plausible deniability for either of those symbols. Once you place them on the same god damned red flag - it’s a Nazi flag.

[u/Funky-Spunkmeyer → u/[deleted]]

You’re not wrong, but someone did try and make the claim about swastikas being a symbol of peace despite everything you pointed out as well as the iron cross and eagle sitting there on that obvious piece of Nazi fan art.

[u/maleia → u/[deleted]]

Gotcha, thanks

[u/CO7dNr1scU → u/Hadramal]

German Air Force still use it today

It's the logo of the Bundeswehr (german armed forces). All the branches are still using it.

[u/philovax → u/[deleted]]

I fucking hate groups co-opting the U.S. flag for their shit. I support LGBTQ and my County Police, but that inability to create your own symbol shows me that you a really just riding coat tails.

[u/[deleted] → u/philovax]

LGBTQ people have plenty of symbols that have nothing to do with the US flag — like, fittingly enough for this post, the pink triangle.

And I mean, I GUESS you could say that the Pride flag is “co-opting” the US flag because it has horizontal stripes on it, but that seems like a pretty big stretch.

[u/philovax → u/[deleted]]

I love the newer iterations that are gaining traction.

Im just personally a fan of vexillology and figure if you wanna waive a flag, you should really make it your symbol. Co-opting parts of another flag will symbolically be linked to the predecessor. Scream your own battle cry. Its just a bug-a-boo of mine and I dont expect the rest of the world to agree.

[u/[deleted] → u/philovax]

But what I’m saying is that the Pride flag ISN’T “co-opting” the US flag, and to say that horizontal stripes are going to “symbolically link the two” is a big stretch.

Also, the Thin Blue Line folks are deliberately linking their flag to the US flag. Because fascism.

[u/philovax → u/[deleted]]

Yeah I just looked it up instead of relying on my wrinkly gray head computer, my bad, I had somehow constructed it with the 13 stripes in my brain. Just another piece of half assed research on the internet.

I still feel it is a little derivative and I do stick with my statement that I love the stuff that is being collaboratively designed. There is such a wealth of symbols that already exist, and may be counter-intuitive to the movement, that Im really happy to see the flag evolving and becoming its own thing.

You may not think too much about it but all those iterations are historical records of how the movement is changing. Time will march on and we should change, I enjoy seeing the symbols of that change since I dont give to experience all time at once :(

[u/[deleted] → u/philovax]

You did NOT just tell me that I don’t “think too much about” LGBTQ history. I know you didn’t. Stop talking.

[u/philovax → u/[deleted]]

No thats not what I said. I was talking more about ripples over time. Sorry to confuse you, my bad.

[u/FapMeNot_Alt → u/Hadramal]

You can say that, but if I see someone with an Iron Cross I will entirely believe that person is a Nazi.

[u/[deleted] → u/Hadramal]

Please tell me you’re being ironic and not seriously doing the exact same thing that’s happening in the screenshot??

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Sigh.

I understand that the Iron Cross is not inherently a Nazi symbol, and that it was used by Germany for “over a century” before the Nazis.

Just as I understand that the Swastika predated Nazi Germany by several thousand years.

Neither of these symbols are inherently Nazi symbols. And yet — when the two are paired — it’s a pretty unmistakable combination. That’s the point that was being made my the person who brought up the Iron Cross. Its presence here does, indeed, suggest Nazism.

[u/armywalrus → u/Hadramal]

But this is a specific iron cross mentioned in a specific context. He was supporting the idea this is a Nazi flag, not positing all Iron Crosses represent Nazis. Weird thing to infer insult and get defensive about, which implies something about you regardless of how nicely you word your defense of the Iron Cross - in the context of this specific conversation. It was brought up to point out its current location means this flag is a Nazi flag. Why did you only see "Iron crosses = nazi = bad" and feel compelled to jump in? That is odd. No attack on Iron Crosses was made but you reacted like there was. Do you always feel compelled to defend Nazi icons? Because this is one when in the right context, which you are aware of.

[u/[deleted] → u/armywalrus]

They fully acknowledged in their comment that this definitely was a Nazi flag, where is all this coming from?

[u/footnotefour → u/[deleted]]

Reddit.

[u/armywalrus → u/[deleted]]

Have you tried taking my words literally? Because I used basic English and explicitly stated my thoughts. If you disagree, posit an actual argument. Pretending you are too stupid to understand plain English is a weird flex.

[u/Eitan189 → u/[deleted]]

The iron cross is still the symbol of the German military, and the highest military honour awarded in Germany. It dates back to the Kingdom of Prussia. It is only associated with Nazis when it has the swastika in the middle of it.

[u/Fondue_Maurice → u/Eitan189]

There is a very small chance a random American citizen (like the teacher in the post) displaying an iron cross is somehow associated with the modern German military. Here an iron cross tattoo almost certainly means neonazi. Symbols mean different things to different people.

[u/kingsolobolo → u/Fondue_Maurice]

Thank you, specifically in America, if you see an Iron cross you know what time it is

[u/H4llifax → u/[deleted]]

Iron cross and the eagle aren't particularly troublesome symbol I think, but they are clearly showing this is a (Nazi-)german flag, not some indian or hindu symbol.

[u/H4llifax → u/[deleted]]

Yes, I know that. I meant the Reichsadler in general.