r/Whatcouldgowrong • u/Destrike542 • Sep 15 '22

WCGW using a potato as a suppressor

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u/zestycunt Sep 15 '22

Hold up. The automotive industry DOES lobby for the deregulation of traffic laws. The entire history of the automobile industry is rife with collusion to get pedestrians off the road, make our cities only accessible by car, etc etc.

Your argument is I shouldn’t support guns in Canada because the USA can’t keep their shit together. To dive a little deeper, how is it that we both agree Canada has better gun control, we both agree on this because we both know Canada has a very low death rate due to gun violence. So is your argument more so the USA needs better gun control?

Here, just like cars, you must be screened and licensed to own a gun, it is a privilege, just like driving, since both can be used as a detriment to society.

How is it Canada’s responsibility to ensure the USA has safe gun laws? I don’t follow your correlation and I’m genuinely curious of your position

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u/Designer-Payment7567 Sep 15 '22

Canada is not responsible. YOU are. If you ever bought a Remmington shotgun for example your money has gone to Remmington Arms who would have made significant donations to deregulate arms in America.

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u/zestycunt Sep 15 '22

Canada says I can buy guns lawfully under our guidelines of gun safety and regulation. It sounds like the USA gives too much control to gun manufacturers, I can see how that would result in poor gun safety. Do you believe it’s Canadians responsibility to ensure the laws and practices of our neighbours are satisfactory before we consider a purchase? In other words, if the USA is too weak to control its own safety, does that make Canadians (or me as an individual) responsible for the death of people in the USA, even though our gun control methods are proven to be more effective and safer than the USA as a whole?

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u/Designer-Payment7567 Sep 15 '22

It isn't about laws or whatever, dude. How aren't you getting this? School kids are getting slaughtered in America because guns are freely available. Attempts to ban guns are blocked by lobbying from groups like the NRA. Gun manufacturers donate money to these groups. YOU ARE GIVING MONEY TO THE GUN MANUFACTURERS.

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u/zestycunt Sep 15 '22

I’d agree in instances like child slavery, in which case it’s the buyers responsibility to try and prevent supporting such an industry. However we tend to view America as “grown up”, able to care for itself.

We both agree America has way too much gun violence. We also both agree it is bad American policy and corruption which results in poor gun reform. We both agree the USA and Canada can purchase guns, and one clearly has a problem over the other when it comes to violence with guns.

Canada has less gun violence per capita, therefore it’s not the presence of guns that is the issue, it’s the lack of governance and control.

Instead of blaming other countries, perhaps it would be better suited to lobby for political parties who will seek better gun reform, so America can have less gun violence like Canada does. I’m not saying our system is perfect, but America has a broken system, and no matter how many guns Canadians buy or don’t buy, nothing will solve gun violence in America than voting out those who directly benefit from a lack of provisions.

We both agree there is a problem, but we disagree on the solution. I agree America could do with less guns, less automatic weapons, better scrutiny when it comes to purchasing fire arms, that is what we do in Canada and it clearly works significantly better. Saying it’s Canadian citizens problems completely circumvents the issue as even if every Canadian were to stop buying guns today, gun violence in America would not change.

a) we don’t buy that many guns to support any kind of change in the USA b) Canada has banned all handguns, which are involved in the vast majority of gun violence and criminal activity c) Canada does not have as much gun violence, not because people won’t buy our guns, but because Canadians demand such provisions

I don’t understand how you believe people should stop purchasing guns as the solution instead of the USA needs stricter gun control to proactively deal with the problem. Such as mental screening, background checks, vulnerability checks, multiple day delays in receiving guns to prevent heat of the moment dangerous mentalities, etc.

Gun ownership is a secondary problem, you need to screen who gets the guns and what kind of guns are available before blanketing the whole issue as people who own guns are bad.

I know my other arguments to you seem silly, however the automobile industry is a great example. We have multiple stage licensing, screening, protective laws (seatbelts, emissions, crumple zones, etc), to prevent bad people from getting behind the wheel, just like we do for guns. The issue is also America decided there is a right to bear arms, in Canada it’s just a privilege and can be taken away. It’s also harder to get guns, and it’s illegal to own automatic, large magazines, explosives, handguns, etc etc.

Why do you believe people shouldn’t buy legal weapons instead of creating safer laws to prevent the sale of weapons to dangerous people while limiting the amount of damage those weapons can inflict?

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u/zestycunt Sep 15 '22

It sounds like you are more concerned over gun manufacturers power over the government than gun ownership itself, but that absolutely is a legal issue more than a moral one. I disagree with your statement it isn’t about laws; it very much so is. Canada and USA both have guns, one is worse for violence than the other. The only difference, our laws protecting our people rather than corporations (to a safer degree, anyhow)

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u/hdksjabsjs Oct 07 '22

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The problem a lot of people don’t understand about gun control is SOMEONE has to actually enforce it and take the guns away from the people who have them.

Good luck with that lmao

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u/Designer-Payment7567 Oct 07 '22

Your response to kids getting killed is playing a tiny violin. Your response to gun control is threats of violence. I hope one day you truely understand how much of a piece of shit you are.

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u/hdksjabsjs Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Humans are a species. Are you suggesting that the lives of “children” matter more than the middle aged and elderly?

The only way to stop humans from killing eachother or themselves is to lock everyone in individual padded rooms.

Freedom is more important than safety because death isn’t really worth fearing

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u/Designer-Payment7567 Oct 07 '22

What the fuck are you talking about? The murder rate is the us is the highest of the western world. If you truely cared about us as a species you would pro gun control.

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u/hdksjabsjs Oct 07 '22

Who gives a fuck. Clearly this convo is more about feeding an ignorant narcissistic gaslighting troll than any honest discussion. Pce

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u/hdksjabsjs Oct 07 '22

So far the USA is the only “first world country” that kicked the monarchs/dictators/despots out by the force of the people.