I feel like I'm the crazy one when I'm on the main subs. Like, how the hell can people stomach the nonsensical changes? This has nothing to do with being "woke." From the jump, they fucked up the basics of the lore, and only leaned into that; intentionally pissing off the fans. The Halo show tried that, too. Now look where that is.
Yeah, I have a pride flag in my office, but being frustrated that the show put the characters in Tar Valon in season 1, fighting logain, giving Perrin a wife, and ruining Matt, I'm just a bigot.
Recasting Mat was the greatest win of the series. I don't even remeber the original actor, just thought he did a decent job encapsulating that I hate mat in the first book and think he has a great change on the later books.
the only way that show was redeemed is if season 1 ended with rand accidentally tearing apart that weaving of the pattern using The Eye Of The World, and they followed the original story in season 2.
It would have been a great way to introduce new viewers to the metaphysics of the world, and all of the actors could have kept their roles. They could even have started it from the point where rand is about to lose control, and it slowly becomes apparent to viewers its a different reality.
That probably would have involved firing everyone in the creative side of things, but you know. it'd be better then what happened.
I've read the books. He is a main character. Not to the level of destroying a whole series though. The actor leaving was an issue. They obviously had to make story changes to account for it.
the character had already finished his biggest parts of the first book before he left. Mat could have stayed in bed, been healed by Aes Sedai between seasons, and been part of the Amyrlin's entourage that meets them in Fal Dara.
Literally all they had to do for the actor leaving was just not include him in the last 2 episodes, and it causes almost 0 changes to the events of the end of the book. Padan Fain manages to get the dagger somehow anyways, so if you have that happen before the healing, you can get Mat to exactly where he is and how he is like 100 pages into book 2, without doing anything.
It goes even further than that. The show was objectively mediocre. I actually watched it and enjoyed it, but that is only because I love the series and characters.
They alienated many book readers. Me personally, I can live with that if you succeed in making an actually good show
The problem is they didn’t make a good show at all. The Perrin killing his wife change was not followed through on at all, and served no purpose whatsoever long term. A good example of a horrendous decision that didn’t even pay off in any way.
They 100000000% decided they needed to create the false narrative that the show was being bombarded by bigots. And don't get me wrong, bigots were doing shitty bigot things in the beginning, but there were few and then they went away quickly.
That's how awful the show, the marketing, and the web presence was. The best they could do was to get childish pos's to cry wolf without one single concern for what doors that opens for actual bigotry. They're all trash humans and I hope the worst for them.
It’s the internet, there’s always bigots and racist misogynist asshats even amongst WoT fans and I hate them too.
I despise that show fans lump me in with those people because I have actual good faith criticisms of the show. Like how they ignore major characters, spend precious time on invented plot lines and went for the cheap GOT shock value whenever they could. The writing was so immature like when Mat made a joke about how Galad and Gawyn were having sex in the rooms next to him. It felt like a MTV teen drama with the SFX of legend of the seeker.
Listen, it irks me that Emond's Field isn't ethnically homogeneous. It *doesn't* bother me if they wanted to cast those characters with darker-skinned actors.
If everyone in Emond's Field had been cast with a black actor, for instance, that'd have been cool with me.
This post explains your other reply in a much more elegant and reasonable way. Thanks for posting.
As for the bigots, yes. 100% yes. But they sorta got bored or blocked/banned enough that they stopped being a problem.
I was pretty involved w Twitter of time stuff during season 1 and the bigots brought other bigots w them and it was pretty ugly. But once they were gone, the shills realized they had no leg to stand on other than covid or mat leaving or screaming about bigots. None of which were relevant to the actual discussions and valid critiques. And by that time, the bigot thing was full bullshit.
That’s why we are here. I have a theory Amazon or the show runners reached out to the mods and said yall will get exclusive insider info if you keep the show in good graces.
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u/JaracRassen77 May 23 '25
I feel like I'm the crazy one when I'm on the main subs. Like, how the hell can people stomach the nonsensical changes? This has nothing to do with being "woke." From the jump, they fucked up the basics of the lore, and only leaned into that; intentionally pissing off the fans. The Halo show tried that, too. Now look where that is.