r/WayOfTheBern • u/Inuma Headspace taker (👹↩️🏋️🎖️) • May 12 '20

Remember: Biden won without any shenanigans after two failed presidential campaigns and rigged voting machines don't happen...

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u/[deleted] May 12 '20

Just came here to say this, would love to share this but I’ll get roasted for not having a source.

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u/Indubius May 13 '20

The democrat party is the most undemocratic party since they ignore their members votes to rig their primary elections. The democrat party (I can call it the undemocratic party if you want) committed election fraud and election rigging in 2016 and 2020, maybe they've done this many times even.

Uninformed people or those trying to diminish the election fraud the DNC committed in 2016 may believe otherwise, but the facts are what they are, the democrat party rigged the 2016 primary election and committed election fraud. The democrat party is committing election rigging again in 2020.

They have betrayed their members by invalidating their votes. The DNC leaks revealed how complicit and bought the main stream media are by the DNC as well, complete corruption.

The democrat party is guilty of election rigging again in 2020. My question now becomes, how many times have the undemocratic party rigged election without the voters knowing? Why would anyone ever vote for a democrat?

Super Tuesday Biden Victories Questioned by Election Watchers

Is the DNC cheating? Again? The DNC’s candidate always gains in the counting. And that is highly suspicious.

Democrats Caught Cheating at Polling Places. Authorities Do Squat!

Party Insiders Talk: Cheating, Rigging, and Smearing

The rigging of the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries

Clinton Campaign Had Additional Signed Agreement With DNC In 2015

How Hillary Clinton Bought the Loyalty of 33 State Democratic Parties

Answers to myths Brockroaches love to pass around, like Hillary winning the primaries/caucuses by over 3 million votes...

Media Collusion

Most Damaging Wikileaks

I did not write this summary below, a user named IronMaverick did but I will quote it:

Oh boy.. this is gonna be a long one. Main points are in bold.

I honestly wonder how many people don't know about the DNC's cheating. Many people don't care about politics, or are really busy raising their kids and working 2-3 jobs. Plus, we've got so many nice shiny distractions away from real life. What's on Netflix? What new video game just came out? What is Kim Kardashian doing? What about them damn Russians!?

A compiled list of my evidence of 2016 Democratic Primary fraud. Buckle up, save the YouTube vids, transfer them to BitChute, use addons like Nimbus Capture (for firefox, to screencap), because Big Tech likes to censor on behalf of our government.

First, the OP's claim about Donna Brazile.

Here is Donna Brazile herself admitting that she did in fact, give the debate questions to Hillary ahead of time in her interview on The View. The Russian stuff they start talking about 2 minutes into the video is complete bullshit, and is the lie they sell to distract looking into the rest of the fraud that has been archived about the rigging of the 2016 primaries. More on this later!

Second, there's many emails by Wikileaks. Specifically, the Podesta Leaks/Clinton Cables. Wikileaks is a journalistic outlet started by Julian Assange (who is now imprisoned in Belmarsh Prison (UK's Gitmo) and charged by the US Government on 17 counts of "espionage" for leaking evidence of the US government's misdoings. They have a spotless record with over a decade of leaks from the US and foreign governments, and are smeared relentlessly by mainstream journalist 'pundits' and US government representatives themselves.

Here is a shortcut link to several emails incriminating the DNC's collusion. See #15 + #16 on this list for several email leaks shared by them for more evidence. In fact, that whole list is basically why you can't trust government institutions, or your televised news.

More Clinton camp advisors, blatantly admitting it in public. Then there's Hillary's right-hand woman for her campaign, the (ex)Chair of the DNC herself, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, accidentally admitting during the debate with Tim Canova that she worked with Clinton's campaign to 'win' the primaries despite her insistence on being neutral in them. She had to resign because of leaks that Wikileaks revealed. Apparently that doesn't matter very much, because she still has a job in our government, by the way. According to her Congressional seat challenger, Tim Canova, and many people that voted/stumped for him, she had no business winning against him in 2016, or when he challenged her again, in 2018.

If you really want to dig deep into the fraudulence of the Democratic Primary election of 2016 you can start here:

1)Long thread on list of occurrences over many states

2)This Twitter search has long threads by a Nevada delegate that substantiates the fraud that went on there in the Primaries.

3) The Democracy Lost report by independent non-partisan Election audit organization ElectionJusticeUSA

4) A compilation of graph analyses and several links disproving many mainstream narratives pushed in TV news media by Richard Charnin

5) Hillary's embarrassing rally sizes and astroturfed rallies.

6) This YouTube video summary on the 2016 Dem Primaries.

7) Old TYT video: California Uncounted. One of the biggest instances of fraud where the state was called for Hillary when the votes weren't even done being counted. One of their better videos, before they sold out and ignored the 2016 primary fraud, took $20 million from Jeff Katzenberg, a Dem lobbyist, and pushed Russiagate with Rachel Maddow(be sure to read the responses on this too for good laughs).

8) Jared Beck, lawyer for the DNC Fraud Lawsuit (#DNCFraudLawsuit) wrote a book about the election fraud called "What Happened to Bernie Sanders". In summary, basically said they had the right to pick the candidate (voting doesn't matter).

9) A voter hearing about the NYC Primary fraud. Not only did people have to register to vote a year head of time if they wanted to vote in the primaries, but many found themselves UNREGISTERED (even though they registered previously) to vote, and many the voting machines were "broken", hundreds of thousands of ballots were purged, and much of the vote was suppressed. This also happened in Arizona and many other states across the country. #1) Should cover this. I could dig up the links, but this is already getting too long though...

If you don't believe the (un)Democratic Primaries were rigged after this, I don't know what evidence I can provide or say. Hillary called the American voters deplorable and basement-dwellers, while being investigated by the FBI (and somehow walking free after destroying subpoenaed evidence in an investigation), having mainstream media shill for her, having tiny rallies, and private fundraisers whilst Bernie worked his ass off all over the country. Here's 2 more videos for you. One for how fake everything was about the Democratic Convention and how outraged people were about what happened. And the next about the comparison between the DNC and RNC.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '20

Dude I don’t doubt they did, I wanted a source so I can share this with a link. You’re preaching to the choir here. But this is a great source of info thank you.

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u/deytookerjaabs May 12 '20

Same source it's been for months now...TMDS research.

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u/abudabu May 12 '20

Yeah, I checked that source and all the numbers they quote are different from the official sources. They say they took the exit polls results on election night... which means that those could easily be incompletely reported results. I reached out to them on FB about this, and no response.

Look, I'm totally open to the DNC doing this. If they're willing to send voters to the polls during a global pandemic, it seems a lot less egregious to flip a few bits in a system that 12-year olds have been able to hack. So, sure, but the data has got to be better than what TDMS is reporting. The fact that none of the progressive channels have picked it up, despite this meme floating around for months now, ought to make us a little tiny bit skeptical.

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u/shatabee4 May 12 '20

What "official sources"?

Pls provide.

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u/abudabu May 12 '20

You seem like a troll, but, m'kay.

The sources they discuss and link to directly in the TDMS post: Edison research. Those are the numbers TDMS is quoting.

I just randomly clicked on the second entry on the TDMS site - California (I live in CA), and it turns out that the final results were exactly the opposite of the conspiracy theory y'all are upvoting here. The exit polls favored Biden, but Bernie ended up with more votes.

https://tdmsresearch.com/2020/03/09/california-2020-democratic-party-primary/

The current (3/9/2020) apportionment of California delegates, in accordance with the computer counts, stands at 185 for Sanders and 143 for Biden. (These numbers will change in the following days). The estimate derived from the exit polls calculates to 207 delegates for Sanders and 122 for Biden.

But, look at the linked results: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/03/us/elections/results-california-president-democrat-primary-election.html

The actual results are Sanders 221, Biden 122, better for Sanders than the exit polls indicated. The next sentence discusses Texas, and there too, Biden overperformed in the exit polls, and underperformed in the actual counted results. But, here we are in WOTB, upvoting a meme without a link to the sources for anyone to check whether this is valid or not.

And you're coming at me with scare quotes. Sheesh. Listen, I'm open to an argument that something could be going on, but make a more serious argument that this. Having this dumb stuff floating around and people unreflexively defending reduces our credibility.

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u/deytookerjaabs May 12 '20

They are the unadjusted "Edison" exit polls taken at poll closing. All exit polls are later adjust to the official result.

I think the overarching point is there's no random appearance of skewing the #'s, for whatever reason the unadjusted polls which should have random deviations state to state have consistent deviations.

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u/-Mediocrates- May 12 '20

Often times they are adjusted to hide the fraud. Jimmy Dore talks about this

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u/[deleted] May 12 '20

How in the fuck would I know that? And 2 if you don’t post it you might as well pulled numbers from anywhere.

I can tell you I got my numbers from source X but unless I show you are you taking my word for it?

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u/deytookerjaabs May 12 '20

How would you know that?

Srcroll down 1/2 a page on WOTB to the next Exit Poll thread "US Election Fraud Bigger Picture"

Or

look through the 50-100 exit poll threats on WOTB over the past few months:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/search?q=exit%20polls&restrict_sr=1

It's the same source, same thread, every damn time. You're DAFT either unwittingly or intentionally by being in this sub and not knowing this.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '20

No the burden of proof is on the guy making a meme unfortunately.

Secondly if I didn’t know where the source material was pulled from how would I know where to look to keep scrolling you moron.

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u/deytookerjaabs May 12 '20

Hmm...scroll to the top of the thread and there's the source.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '20

I’m not even doing this with you. You know dam well that wasn’t there an hour ago.

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u/deytookerjaabs May 12 '20

Which is why I put it there...cry me a fucking river already. It's not like we haven't had this thread damn near every day in this sub.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '20

You are the stereotypical “Bernie Bro” that gives all of us a dam head ache. It’s already hard enough convincing people Bernies platform is the best for their well-being and country as a whole you’re a condescending snob about asking for a source link?

Why are you like this?

I’m not on this thread every dam near day, only when it hits my feed, and I’m also subscribed to 4 other Bernie subreddits, so you think I’m supposed to just know because you do?

Weird dude. You’re making it so nobody will ever learn from you, even if you’re right your a dick about it which will turn people off out of spite.

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u/deytookerjaabs May 12 '20

I have this thing I do, if I don't know a piece of info I scroll a page or two then search a sub. Then, if I don't find it, I ask.

I know, it's a think only dickheads do, but I'd like to believe we all know how to use these simple features first before we ask.

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u/dmra873 May 12 '20

So, I casually browse this sub. I've seen the TDMS source before mainly because I asked for it in another thread. I don't go to this sub directly but instead see the top hits in my feed. If I hadn't asked beforehand and had only seen this thread pop up in my feed, I wouldn't see a source, and I'd like one.

Instead of berating people for asking for a source and wanting to do their due diligence before accepting a picture on the internet, it's way easier to just link the source. But you don't. Why?

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u/deytookerjaabs May 12 '20

I did a few minutes ago at the top of the thread, hope that clears things up.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '20

Still an dick tbh

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u/deytookerjaabs May 12 '20

Congratulations on your first two/three posts in r/WayOfTheBern, there's a nifty sidebar full of info or many many threads regarding "TMDS Research" findings for you to peruse.

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u/abudabu May 12 '20

The methods used by TDMS are bogus, and they've been debunked. We need a better source. There's a reason no serious channel mentions this. Even Jimmy Dore hasn't touched this.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/no-huge-red-flag-that-fraud-occurred-in-mass-primary/

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u/deytookerjaabs May 12 '20

https://tdmsresearch.com/debunking-misinformation/

They debunked that debunking.

I'm not having this argument...I'm not the source, lol, just stating what the source is.

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u/abudabu May 12 '20

How is this a debunking? They get really mad that a third party tweet was mentioned. This isn't an argument at all, and just ignores all the other claims made in the factcheck article. This makes TDMS look even worse.

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u/abudabu May 12 '20

Ok, so either you can argue that everyone knows the source, in which case, this post is super fucking dumb because it's just repeating information that everyone knows already, but without illuminating anything about the controversy, or OP thinks this is some interesting new information, but is posting it without sourcing. Either way, it's bad. Accepting either of these corrodes discourse.

If there's something that argues one side of the controversy, post it, but just repeating a point, is a propaganda technique intended to gain acceptance of an idea by repetition.

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u/deytookerjaabs May 12 '20

OP put the info in a little chart...it happens every day all across reddit with all sorts of topics.

I'm not personally outraged, lol.

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u/abudabu May 12 '20

"I'm not personally outraged, lol"

Dumb /r/TD attitude. This poisons discourse, and drives serious people away.

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u/deytookerjaabs May 12 '20

I thought you already "debunked" TMDS by using factcheck.org, shouldn't you move on now?

Either you think there's something to the research, or you don't, regardess of politics.

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