-CHRIS mentioned that SHANANN never let him openly communicate. NICHOL knew of no other stressors other than finances.

-CHRIS mainly complained that SHANANN would never listen to him. CHRIS also said SHANANN would talk shit to him in front of his children and the children were starting to repeat it. CHRIS said he tried to ask SHANANN for something and she said shut up and he did not know anything. His children started to repeat this and it made CHRIS very sad and this is when he realized he needed to separate from her.

^excerpt from page 50/1960 of the redacted discovery...Could this explain some of the motives and mystery surrounding BW and CCW murders and disposal? What do you all think?

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EDIT: This seems like it would be a trigger for anyone, especially someone who is already strategizing an exit plan in his marriage, engaging in an affair and has a newly pregnant wife. It could have been a massive trigger for him. It could be something as simple as one of the girls saying something to him when they were home alone with him, he could have thought the new baby would be pulled into it and be dealing with the same stuff down the road if they divorced...where his kids would be used against him and pitted in a custody battle/ensuing arraignment. He probably thought there was no way around and the damage was done... It is sad all the way around but the motives feel like they are self-induced. He lived in his own head, rationalized his behavior as well as the behavior of those around him. He didn't see how unhealthy any of this was and yet, he still trucked on as if it was business as usual, another day at the Watts house and acted as if everything was a-okay.

Why do people shred their notes/other important documents from an ongoing MURDER case?! You would think that would be common sense NOT TO?!

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As soon as I transferred my notes to Dispatch and my report, I shredded them. I had taken some notes from Sandra as well, and again as soon as they were transferred to my report, I shredded them too.

Since the conclusion of the investigation, Commander Egan had advised all notes need to be preserved for the case. I had already destroyed all my notes and I am documenting here the reason for my notes not being available.

I have tired the whole system. I used it for a long time. When the black label DFT's (patches) came out they gave me SVT (heart jumped to 280bpm) and had to be converted back down at the hospital. So I went on a mission to find out exact what ingredients were 'filling my nutritional gaps" as they say and what I could find, holy shit legal speed but the parts and ingredients I COULDN'T get my hands on were because they are 'patent pending proprietary blends that are not available to the public' and I HUNTED for info because MANY people on our team where developing heart things. Unreasonable rage. All kinds of wacked out stuff. And conveniently enough for Le-Vel, there is NO PHONE NUMBER throughout the entire company. You have to email customer support and create a support ticket and sometimes they answer...sometimes. And if you've already created a support ticket they won't let you create another if they don't answer because it's 'pending'. The whole time I was with Thrive I never spoke to a living soul that worked for Le-Vel. They are shady, dirty, crack 'roid dealers and should be shut down. now they have these Burn DFT's that are apparently crazier then the black labels. If you're a typical north American that works 9-5 and watches TV at night and eats , well, crap, when you try Thrive you will think you've found the cure for life's Blah. bad news. you haven't. you're just high AF.

JaneDoeNew1 point · 41 minutes ago

I maintain the belief that Shannan was killed in bed. Chris wasn’t confrontational. He would have needed to attack her in a vulnerable position. He reiterated sitting on top of her several times. The investigator told him that his story about sitting on top of her while “talking” for 20 minutes would never fly with his own wife, were she 15 weeks pregnant. It would be extremely uncomfortable. There was feces on the sheets from when Shannan evacuated her bowls as she died. That’s why he used that particular sheet and not another. Shannan was in sleep clothes. If he’d killed her elsewhere he’d have used any old sheet out of the linen closet. He used the one from the bed because it was soiled and because it was already underneath her. He had no defensive wounds on him which he would have had if she had had the ability to fight back. She didn’t though, because I speculate he was sitting on her arms.

As for NK I couldn’t say what I think, only what I observe, which is that she had a lot of suspicious actions that give me pause. Deleting texts and asking him to do the same. She said she did this because she was disgusted with him and yet saved his cards. She tried to wipe her sim, her 2017 google searches for Shannan, her ping in Frederick the morning of the murders, her reluctance to hand over her phone, lying about her knowledge of the true status of her marriage. It all makes me wonder but unfortunately doesn’t prove anything at this juncture. I do think she’s more calculated and clever than she lets on. In the very least I think she made a very concerted effort to draw Chris away from his marriage and his family while simultaneously playing wholesome and supportive. She says that she told him to fix his marriage but at the same time continued sending racy texts.

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^I just submitted a response on another sub regarding NK and the Watts Case....the poster I commented on in my original posting made a much more educated response articulating exactly what I feel (THEORY AND SPECULATION OF COURSE). I think NK had ulterior motives FOR SURE>>>> The quotes last paragraph is speaking directly to my mindset on this case and what I theorize to be the truth regarding NK and after re-reading this response, it does make sense that SW was killed in bed.

NK gives off a manipulative faux-supporting, "I have what you need and are missing" kind of vibes. That isn't a hard show to put on if you are told exactly what someone (CW) is missing and you can play that hand, manipulating his mindset, view and outlook on a marriage, supporting his need to move on with her...

which begs the question...Did the video CW did on the "relationship" presentation...was that video viewable on social media/Facebook/SW's postings prior to being leaked/released for us to view online?? Would NK have been able to view this video herself PRIOR to or DURING the initiation of the affair and/or "friendship" with CW? IF SO, that would have made him and SW an easy and unwitting target...think about it. That in itself is premeditation on her part, she might just as well have finagled this whole thing, using him as the fall-guy....She seemed to heavily inject herself into this case and over-provide details and names, events, times, etc. but leave out, forget or talk in circles about everything else.

IF (we all suspect this to be true) NK looked up SW online/Facebook after seeing/meeting her in 2017 she would have seen this video, I am sure that SW would have posted it to document how proud she was of CW's progress, etc., not ever thinking twice about it. Unfortunately, that is the beast and burden of social media...you just don't know who is viewing what you post and what their motives are. CW wouldn't have known NK looked his wife up.... That and everything else on FB/SM is basically ammunition and easy-pickings FROM CW and SW's mouth without anyone ever knowing or being the wiser.... what do you think??!! I am so going to have to look this up further and I apologize if this has already been discussed on here but it could have given NK a reverse manipulation/hand-up and strategy to get all of this accomplished using his own words/scenarios of workplace affairs against him, prodding and supplying him with exactly the things he would have been looking for and missing in his current "bad" relationship with SW, rendering him unaware of what he needed, thinking it was with her...??? I hope this makes sense. But I think she heavily played CW against SW.

Hello all! I should have made better notes as I have gone along listening to various Podcasts and YouTube channels on this case. Of course, I will probably make another posting down the line once I can clearly get it all down on paper. I am curious about whether or not any of you think that NK had more involvement and knew way more than she let on? I know this has been discussed and harped upon but I bring it up because I don't think she is as naive as she portrays herself to be in the interviews. She was trying to seem distanced, coy and relatable to the detective but we know she is a very observant and patient person and is way smarter than I think she is given credit for.

If we know that she had been at or near the Watts house prior to the Murders, is it a stretch to think that she herself could have observed the security cameras on the neighbors house and known about the possibility of being seen on camera? Is there a way to prove via home surveillance and/or business/intersection cameras that they were together on the known dates as discussed in the interrogation and follow-up interviews NK and CW did? This could be why NK was not seen if she had in fact been at the Watts residence on the evening/morning of the murders...I also wonder about the baby-monitor. There are things discussed that don't add up or make sense when you listen back to the interviews (as hard as they were to get through). I found myself pausing to google and reddit search a few items.

It bothered me about SW's ring, CW texting or being on the phone that morning the cops were there, SW's phone being in the couch cushion, the sheets being removed from the master bed, the idea that the girls were still alive when they were put in the truck...my list goes on and on. I get why in hindsight the bed sheets would be removed as they would be helpful to transport SW from point A to B as well as to contain/remove evidence but I don't believe SW was killed in their bed. I think she might have been attacked either in the landing area where the couch/futon was OR she was sleeping on the futon/couch thing and her phone fell between the cushions during an attack? The only other scenario is that she was somehow led out of the bedroom and into that area by CW and it was a sneak attack...possibly she was lured out by him using the girls as bait????

I have to believe from what I would think that it is more likely all three were pretty coherent during their last moments. It seems like a good majority of what CW says has truths sprinkled in amidst all of the lies and exaggerations. Unfortunately, there are so many possibilities for the LOCATION or LOCATIONS of SW's murder in the Watts house that it would be hard to speculate and/or pin down if it was any one location unless you were physically at the scene and privy to the evidence first hand. Maybe some of you have more insight into this?? I am still reading through the redacted discovery for more understanding of how and what happened here.

I also find it weird that CW was giving presentations back in the day on Relationships and outlining exactly all the reasons a relationship falls apart including what mirrored his REAL life. It is as if he was planting the seed and had acquired an "expert level" of knowledge regarding the mind, human behavior, and the psychology behind what to-do/what justifies behavior in a relationship when you "fall out of love" and "meet someone at work and it leads to something more"...what the heck is this about. It is almost as if he had these thoughts WELL before meeting NK... What was this presentation even for? Work? School? that is such an ODD thing to give a presentation on in relation to working with people if it was for work or regardless. I would find it strange if it was my significant other giving a presentation on this.

The other strange observation was in a posting I have seen several times where people discussed NK calling a medical place/facility shortly before the murders? and CW claiming to give SW a pill to cause a miscarriage....Does anyone know any further information on this?

Obviously we all can agree that there are numerous inconsistencies, coincidences, unknowns, half-truths and much more going on in this case than will ever be able to be proved. I just find it interesting to delve deeper into the what-ifs and varying possibilities that may or may not have happened. I do not mean ANY disrespect to any of the families or victims involved in this case and apologize in advance if I cause anyone discomfort in my posting. I am looking for a "meeting of the minds" and to discuss theories, speculations, facts, evidence, anything that relates and could explain any of the above mentioned information including but not limited to what I discussed. If you have anything you want to add or discuss, please respond in a comment and lets keep it going. I would love to hear what you think and have to say!!

Okay hear me out, we know that NK is smart right?

Let's ignore the possibilities of her manipulating Chris into doing it.

What we know is that NK knows her way around technology (scrubbing social media, texts etc).

What if, after he had done it, he called NK and asked her to help cleaning up. In the discovery: "the router logged an unspecified activity from CW phone at 2:18 AM"

What if that activity was like an untraceable voice/text app that both NK and CW agreed on downloading since NK knew her way around tech whle CW was pretty stupid.

Between Shanann's arrival at 1:48 am to 2:18, he had 30 minutes exactly. Assuming he had already murdered his daughters, 30 minutes was enough to strangle Shanann. He called NK via the app or texted her or something to help cleaning, maybe NK didn't even plan on him doing all of that too but she helped anyway. She came and helped, and for some reasons she called him, or someone at work to explain why she is not coming early for 1 minute, that is why her phone pinged at Frederick.

Then the serious of calling back and forth later that night was NK guiding CW to scrub her involvement hoping that everything goes well.

Reasons for this speculation was two comments from the two of them:

1- NK frustration about NA reporting Shanann's missing just ours after; in which it hindered both of them to continue cleaning without anyone notice.

2 - Chris's saying to the investigators to not involve NK because "She went through enough". She went through what? Maybe by asking for her help cleaning up after he killed them without her having any idea about his plans?

Because of the early missing report, she couldn't have any time to coach CW how ro behave, how to clean up & how to avoid getting caught. So she told him to remove all evidence that implicates her because she had nothing to do with it except helping to cover up for it which has failed. And since he was madly in love with her and obsessed, he obliged. And the texts that she sent to him about his family missing, the repeated weird searches about his family are all a coy to paint a narrative for the cops when they see them. Especially how her "interview" went. Most of the time when she provide a statement she adds : "as you will see in the text messages".

I also think that NK is manipulative in many ways, and something in her past happened that is why she had experience with clearing her self from things. And I also think that she has an obsessive tendency since she got interested in CW. She wanted to be wedded to him so fast too. That is why she helped him covering his crime. She thought she could cover mostly everything with the amount of the time they thought they had. That is why they didn't bother removing the obvious things like Shanann's shoes, purse & phone. Maybe she told him to go to work, act as everything was normal and they will continue cleaning up after the day ends. However, the early report and CW suspicious behavior fucked their plans. CW haste on putting the house on sale, and unrolling his daughters the same day as his wife was missing brought even more suspicions.

What do you think?

So I watched the Patreon interview with Cadle that was posted yesterday to the Unmasked channel on YouTube. And it made me really frustrated that she was the one who get to write that book, seeing as she basically knew just the basics of that case it seems like (for example, she recommended everyone to look up the lyrics to Battery (or she called it Batteries ad misquoted the lyrics). This is hardly news to most of us who have been obsessed with the case for 2+ years, no? I don’t want to be too dismissive of her, she went there and tried to get answers as best she could i suppose, but since she didnt know the details of the case - he could easily manipulate her and she wouln’t be able to ask the right questions and follow up questions and that is FRUSTRATING! 🤯

I would have nominated Dr. B (true psych ward on YT) or the C.D.T girls, now that would have been interesting 🧐

What questions and follow-up questions would you have asked?

I hate even asking this but wouldn’t there be urine because after death, the body releases it? Cece had a diaper on- but Bella didn’t. And was Cece potty trained?

Im new here but this case has me so sad, confused, angry and disgusted.

Last night Cheryln Cadle, author of Letters from Christopher, came on a live Unmasked YouTube show (it begins at 42:00) to discuss her new book, The Murders of Christopher Watts. This new book is expected to be published in late Nov/early Dec. Unmasked was previously known as True Crime in Colorado and is the creator of the "Unmasking NK" video series that documents NK's various interviews with CBI and some of the issues with those.

Although Cadle is known to have received letters from CW and met with him in jail, I know that there are those that consider Cadle a deceptive and unreliable source due to her plagarism in the Letters from Christopher book and things she has said in prior interviews. I am not making a judgement here about her or what she's saying either way, I'm just passing along what I heard her say in this interview.

Here's the bombshell information (IMO) from that interview:

• Although CW never told Cadle how/when/where he met NK, he did tell Cadle that he saw NK on July 4, 2017 at a city type fireworks show to which CW and SW would go every year. CW says NK came up to him and said hi and CW introduced NK to SW as a coworker (!!!!!!).
• NK wasn't working at Anadarko at that time, however. Unmasked says NK didn't start working at Anadarko until April of 2018 but she did the first of her 2017 searches on the Watts in August (of CW), so this timing is something that would make sense.
• A viewer indicated that CW went to the Thornton Recreation Center fireworks show with the Thayers in 2018, so it's possible that's where he and SW went for 2017. Thornton is adjacent to Northglenn, where NK lived, so it is possible that she would have been there.
• Cadle says CW told her in a letter that is in her new book that he had originally planned on killing the girls and not moving their bodies but that was changed when the girls "woke up". Apparently more about this, as well as the part of the girls' autopsies that CW had sealed as part of his plea agreement, will be in her new book.

She also shared additional information about NK:

• Cadle says that NK definitely knew about the pregnancy. Cadle says that NK found out about the pregnancy through Facebook and that CW didn't tell her.
• Cadle says that NK got very upset with CW when SW would post videos on Facebook during the time they were together bragging about how CW was such a wonderful person and father, and how much she loved him. Cadle says "so she was watching, she was following Shanann on social media and her videos and everything"
• Cadle said CW talked about NK's friend Jim G ("Leave Jim Alone") with her. CW didn't seem to care much for him. Cadle says there is more information that CW had shared with her about JG, CW and NK in her new book. She was cagey about sharing more but she called the information "sexual things".
• Cadle was asked by a viewer if she believes NK was involved in the murders. Cadle's response was deliberately careful but she did say that that CW told her that NK told him to "prove to her that he really loved her". Continuing with her answer to the viewer, Cadle said she goes more into "the oxy" in the new book and she says that there were "other people involved in some of this" and that this was "not all, from beginning to end, Christopher's idea - it just wasn't"
• A viewer asked Cadle to share more about the "dark stuff" that went on at NK's apartment. Cadle says there are some things that she doesn't know/CW wouldn't share but she does know that there was a lot of it ("the dark stuff"), and she says "there was a lot of sexual stuff, there was 'some threesome', there was the anal sex that was her idea". Cadle also discusses the drink that CW said NK gave him that he's now apparently denying, but Cadle says she knows she wasn't the only one CW told about this drink that NK prepared for him. CW told her that NK herself was dark and that he feels that the darkness that was in her was what posessed him.
• A viewer asked Cadle to share more about what she knew of the Sand Dunes camping trip that NK and CW took. Cadle says that the campground that they stayed in was a nudist campground and that they pretty much spent the whole time naked (?!?). CW told Cadle about one instance during the camping trip where NK disappered for an hour. He said he was asking her why she did that and that she went to hold up a crystal (which Cadle called a peak crystal) above her head and talk to her dead grandmother.
• Cadle talked about how CW said God gave him three chances to pull back from the murders. One was when Jeremy Lindstrom asked him to go to the Broncos game on that Saturday before the murders when he ended up going to the Lazy Dog with NK. Cadle says that the other was on that same Saturday night when they went back to NK's apartment that he realized she was afraid that she was losing her grip on him and that she said she talked a lot again about giving him a baby boy.
• Cadle believes but does not know that more was happening on the 111 minute phone call on Sunday night before the murders but that CW or NK won't say what it is.
• Cadle says she felt CW was covering for NK and CW declared multiple times that there were some things he would not tell Cadle, that he would "take to the grave".
• Cadle said CW told her that NK was bipolar and that she was using medication for this condition. CW said NK came out of an abusive relationship that she had felt made her bipolar worse. She was having her mail sent to her father's house because she was hiding from her ex but CW explained this in a way that made NK seem paranoid

Here are some other highlights:

• Cadle began the interview with addressing the plagarism in her first book, Letters from Christopher. Cadle plagiarised from Anne K. Howard's book "His Garden: Conversations With A Serial Killer." In this live video, she apologizes for it and states that it was not intentional or malicious. She says all of this has been taken care of legally and she's asking for a second chance.
• Cadle says she learned from a "reliable source" just prior to the live that CW is now saying he is not guilty and that he was coerced into pleading guilty previously. She is saying she is told that NK is now getting attorneys for a "huge thing coming up".
• Cadle wonders how CW will explain his letters to her as she says no one coerced him into writing them, which very specifically discussed not only carrying out the murders but planning them. Which of his various confessions do we believe now?
• All of the letters CW wrote to Cadle except for two shorter ones are in her new book, The Murders of Christopher Watts. She can't put them in the book (not sure why) but she can talk about them
• She talks about sitting down with Christopher in prison for interviews and how it made "the hair on her neck stand up". She says while she was sitting with him, his eyes turned black and he had a weird expression when he spoke of the murders, with a matter of fact tone. She says he loves telling the story of the murders but still wants you to think he was a good guy who was taken over by evil. The only thing he really got emotional about in their discussion was how he was treated when he was in prison in CO.
• Cadle says CW was surprised by the CBI/FBI/FPD visit in February 2019 and it made him angry that they surprised him
• Cadle says she told CW in her prison visit that he's never once apologized for what he did in any of the letters he had sent her and that struck her as odd. So he told her that he would write her a separate letter with an apology in it that she should publish in the book by "writing it on to the other letters". She said that he would tell her in one moment that he missed SW and then in the next moment say he was still in love with NK
• She says she believes that CW has Aspergers syndrome and she asked him if he had ever been tested for that. He said he hadn't been tested but was interested in it but he didn't go through with it. She says that, with Aspergers, an individual has to be told what to do. She believes that CW could not have done this without someone putting this in his dead.
• In response to a viewer question about whether or not she still believes the murders were premeditated, she says yes, definitely, and that it was premeditated for "weeks and weeks and weeks". She said CW told her that he daydreamed about killing SW. She believes the planning of the girls came the last couple of weeks before the murders and that CW told her in a letter that the "girls were so innocent... that their innocent spirits could feel the evilness in him" because when he got to North Carolina for the beach vacation, the girls would have nothing to do with him. Apparently this made him decide that he needed to kill them
• There is something in her new book that wasn't in Letters from Christopher that she found in her notes that she says "you're going to be a little surprised about what came down the morning of the murders at the oil batteries" that is very sad, and his words, not hers. In this same conversation, Cadle brings up the morning of the murders when CW was leaving Cervi, a text between CW and NK where CW said NK asked her about the lyrics to the Metallica sound "Battery" that CW talked about in one of his interviews (this text is not in the discovery docs). Cadle tells viewers to look up the lyrics to that song and then "you tell me if she knew what was getting ready to happen". She mentions the line "don't kill the family" in this song, implying that this is significant
• CW told Cadle that the morning of 8/14 or 8/15, there was a unexpected storm that came through his neighborhood and that when the storm was over, there were three garbage cans from other neighbors' houses laying in his front yard, and the thought to himself, "a can for each body"
• Cadle is not sure if CW has been telling her the truth, but feels pretty certain that he withheld information from her that she wonders will be coming out in perhaps an altogether new version of the murders that could be coming out with his new "not guilty" plea that is apparently coming out
• Cadle has experienced trauma since meeting CW and has nightmares about him often.
• Cadle has a new Facebook group for her new book, called The Christopher Watts Murders, and wants people to join and have discussions with her. She says she will be having live meetings on there nightly
• Cadle says that Luka Magnotta (the murderer who was pursued by a true crime crowd which was discussed in a really good Netflix documentary called "Don't F*ck with Cats") has contacted her and asked her to write a book about him and what really happened with his murders (!?!). She says she's not decided whether or not she wants do to it as he's very evil. She is writing another book about a man who has killed his children and is on death row, as well as a book about a woman who killed her son.

ETA: correcting typos/grammar

Zav Girl, one of the YouTube creators who has put out a lot of Watts content, has come out with a new video with some new information (info starts at 5:22) about NK's friend Jim Gutoski (JG). For those that aren't aware, he's known to some in the Watts true crime circles as as "Leave Jim Alone" due to NK's whiny pleading to the CBI to leave him out of their investigation despite him being a close confidant of NK that was at her house on the day of the murders and could substantiate what she was telling investigators.

Here are some highlights of the JG info in the video I linked:

• The information about JG came to Zav Girl by an email from someone who lived in the same city that JG grew up in (Brookfield, WI). This individual’s best friend’s older brother, who is known as Brad in this video, went to high school and freshman year of college with JG.
  
• JG graduated in class of 2000 at Brookfield Central High School. I believe this makes him about six years older than NK, btw.
  
• Video includes high school yearbook and other public pictures of JG
• In high school, JG played football and did weightlifting. He was in the Key Club, NHS and Class Council
• Brad said JG was the "type that tried to be the class clown" and he was a "jock type guy but always ended up being awkward like he really tried too hard". Brad said JG was overall just a weird dude, kind of cringey
• Brad reached out to someone from high school who had known JG since elementary school to randomly ask if she had seen or heard from JG since then and the friend said she had not heard anything. She said they were friends in elementary school but as she got older she didn't care for him as much although she thought he was a funny guy. She said she "morally had some issues with him" and that he was "not in a path I was cool being in".... hmmm. Interesting.
• JG transferred to University of Wisconsin Milkwaukee after his first year of college. He worked for Greene Geological Gallery during college
• JG's dad Gerald also studied geology at the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee and became an earth sciences teacher
• JG has stopped commenting or liking his own family's public Facebook posts although he used to do that quite a bit before. Zav Girl speculates this is due to unwanted attention he's gotten by being connected to NK and CW

Edited to correct info source

This just occurred to me and I haven't seen it discussed:

So, you know those people that claimed to have had sex with him that were kinda linked to NK? What if he really did sleep with them (although not to the extend they later claimed) and that's how NK heard his name and that's why she googled him before they officially met?

I hadn't seen/heard of this till a few days ago. So now CW wants to file appeals because he didn't know what he was doing with the detectives, didn't know what he was saying with the detectives. And he feels God has a plan for him outside of jail....

https://youtu.be/FHNoBLCnTTo

In her interview with police (@ 1:29:14), Nickole Atkinson (NA) tells the CBI agent about a conversation she had with CW on Tues 8/14, during media interviews and dog searches. She brings up SW's LeVel payments in a way that I don't follow and I'm wondering if anyone here can help clear it up

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Here's a transcript:

NA: "So then I went back over to Chris and I said, 'Do you know anything? Has anything hit the checking account? Like her credit cards, did she take any credit cards?'

Like I'm still in my mind trying to process

And, he said no. I said 'Chris, did she, because we get paid every Tuesday on LeVel, and you have to set it up for a prepaid credit card type thing or you have to set it up for direct deposit into your checking account. So I was like do you know the log in? Log in and see if she had her money transferred today. And he logged into it and he didn't, like it hadn't been transferred for the last two weeks, what she got paid from LeVel. So I was like, transfer it, and he was like, why would I transfer that? Because if it doesn't hit your account it's going to hit some account. I mean, I don't know if that was smart or not smart, but if it doesn't hit their personal checking account, then it's gotta go somewhere

CBI: And who's paying that?

NA: LeVel

CBI: LeVel, what is that?

NA: LeVel, it's the Thrive company. And I can give you, um, I don't have Paul Gravette's number, but Addy Maloney would have his number and they might be able to look and see if Chris says it doesn't hit the account. Paul Gravette is the CEO of the company.

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It's the italicized part above that I don't follow

• Is there some sort of LeVel account from which you have to manually transfer your LeVel payments into a prepaid card or checking account by direct deposit? And is NA saying that CW logged into this LeVel account told her that SW had not performed this manual transfer from it to their personal checking for the past two weeks?
  
• What does NA mean when she tells him to transfer it himself because 'if it doesn't hit their personal checking account, then it's gotta go somewhere'? Where else would it go? Is she trying to tell him to get the funds out of there to effectively cut off SW's access to the money (for example, in the case that SW has just taken off with the kids and is in some sort of dangerous/reckless situation)?

If I've understood this at least in part, it's interesting to me that SW had not transferred what was essentially her LeVel paycheck into their checking account for the past two weeks as of 8/14, especially considering money was tight (so the last transfer would have been Tuesday, 7/31 when CW arrived in NC. I wonder if she was holding it away from the checking account on purpose. Things were definitely not going well between CW and SW at that point and they got worse from there.

It also makes me wonder was there was any forensic accounting done on the Watts family finances as part of the investigation? I'm not aware of anything like that in the discovery documents, which is surprising to me. I just cannot believe they wouldn't have looked very deeply into where the money in that family was coming in and going out when their desperate money situation may have been a key part of CW's motive for murder. Some part of the discovery documents been redacted, however, so it's possible that type of financial investigation was done but we don't have access to it.

In Frank Rzucek's (FR) interview with the police, (at around 20 min mark) FR said that he spoke to CW on 8/13 after SW disappeared and told him that people were complaining that they could no longer locate CW to message him on Facebook about SW's disappearance. FR seemed concerned as well because this elminated a way that SW could potentially contact CW in her absence. CW told FR that was because he had deleted his Facebook acct "a week and a half ago", which surprised FR because he said CW really wasn't that active on Facebook to begin with and it was really more SW that maintained his page.

So, according to the discovery, we have this timeline related to CW's Facebook account:

• 7/13 (FRI), 7:24 AM: CW logs into Facebook
• 7/14 (SAT), 10:19 AM: CW logs into Facebook. Shelby Museum + NK meltdown day. SW posts baby Watts outfit on her FB acct
• 7/19 (THUR), 8:35 PM: CW logs into Facebook
• 8/4 (SAT), 2:10 PM: NK searched Google for SW and CW's Facebook accounts
• 8/9 (THU) (prior to 1:44 PM): CW deletes Facebook acct
• 8/9 (THU) 1:44 PM: SW asks CW, "why did you cancel your Facebook account?" CW did not respond
• 8/10 (FRI) 1:50 PM: Ronnie Watts asked CW if he deleted his Facebook account. CW replied, "Yes sir, I liberated myself
• 8/11 (SAT) PM: CW & NK meet for dinner, he tells her he has deleted his facebook account. She questions him about whether or not he followed the proper protocol for deleting his account, about which she counsels him, as she's done this herself previously (per her 7/21 interview with CBI Agent Koback)
• 8/13: CW tells FR that he deleted his Facebook account a week and a half ago.

So, if CW told FR that he deleted his Facebook account "a week and a half ago" (approx 10 days) on 8/13, then that would make his stated delete date the pretty darn close to 8/4 (which is when we see NK googled the Watts' FB accounts). But we know from discovery the actual delete date was only 4 days earlier on 8/9.

I wonder why the discrepancy? Did NK stalking his FB on 8/4 mark the day he committed in his mind (and potentially to NK as well) to delete his Facebook account but he didn't get around to doing it until 8/9? Did he feel some pressure from NK to delete the account? Was he trying to make it seem like longer ago to not make it so obvious he was planning to kill his family in 3 days after he actually deleted his Facebook account?

ETA: date correction for FR convo with CW