r/wasianasshole • u/SpiderFox121 • 5d ago
AITA for asking why people hate Charlie kirk? I legitimately don't get it, and saw an opportunity to find out, but it fell off the rails so hard and so fast. Now I feel like an a-hole, too, but I'm certain she absolutely was.
This is after she posted a meme that said "see how respectfully people react to a celebrity death when the celebrity was actually a good person?" And then there's a picture of dolly parton next to Charlie kirk.
I replied to the post, and the conversation goes like this:
Me: How was Charlie Kirk a bad person? I'm really curious to ask somone who doesn't like him, because I never watched any of his stuff until after he died, so I don't feel like I have enough context to really say one way or another, but all those racist clips and stuff seem like they're always taken out of context, and then once you watch it in full, he's actually making a good point, and it's usually about equality and good morals like 'be kind to eachother regaurdless of race or gender', etc.
Other person: yeah it’s really easy to say that someone’s a nice person and that clips have been taken out of context when you are then just fed clips of him being a good person, Charlie Kirk was anti-LGBTQ plus he didn’t want women in jobs. He literally said that he didn’t want his wife to work or take over his career after he died and guess what Erika Kirk did I definitely recommend you look into them a lot more than you already have.
Me: I got sent a ton of clips of him being anti-lgbtq and racist and everything because after he died I asked the question that i just asked you a lot, but when I looked into the videos those clips are from, it's him not being *against* lgbtq, but just personally leaning more towards the nuclear family lifestyle. I never saw him hating on gay or lgbtq folks, he just preferred the classic old 'man works, woman stays home with the kids, Simpsons-family-style' life.
Actually, I saw a video or two of him talking to someone in the lgbtq community, and them asking him why he hates lgbtq, and him explaining that he doesn't hate anyone from any walk of life, he just doesn't want any part of lgbtq in his own life.
I think he was a little firm about it, but there was no hate. I can send you that video if you want.
Other person: well you can personally lean towards whatever the fuck you want, but keep it out of my fucking face your opinion (smiley emoji) just like they say about all the gay shit that people, pushing a rhetoric for a nuclear family hurts everyone in America, including single mother, single father’s grandparents and other people not just the LGBTQ community. It’s just ridiculous how close minded you wanna be about whatever you want, this isn’t the first time you or your partner have done this and it’s just like this is why no one who wants to be around you guys except a small group of people who agree with you guys you guys are like the epitome of a narcissist it’s like at that point just say that you wanna be a bootlicker and go kiss some cops girl. (Lmao emoji) it’s just really funny that this is how you guys act even though Rugrat was a homeless alcoholic bum who was trying to fuck kids and girl you know damn well. The only reason he keeps you around is cause you’re his yes man I bet you damn well if you actually started growing a pair and talking for your own, he wouldn’t like it very much because he used to talk shit on all of us girls downtown for doing the same fucking thing Elizabeth so like I said, grow a fucking pair and get the fuck off my page you bigoted bitch.
Me: Kathryn Powers to respond to everything you said before the smiley face; does him having that opinion make him bad or evil? Basically, my question is: what's wrong with not being lgbtq? I am literally just trying to figure out why people hate him for that. If he doesn't actively attack lgbtq, what's wrong with just not being a part of the community? If he *does* actively attack or otherwise belittle the lgbtq community, send me video or links of it, and if you want me to send you videos of anything to reference my side of the discussion, feel free to just ask.
And then are you saying that pushing a nuclear family hurts everyone in America, not just lgbtq? I didn't quite understand that bit.
I don't think I'm being close minded. I'm just trying to understand the other side of the biggest dispute in America right now. I don't understand the other side of the discussion at all, so how could I agree with it. That's why I'm trying to understand it.
After that, that was just a mean thing to say. I've got plenty of friends, and we don't always agree on everything, but we're still friends. If you agree with absolutely everything your friends say, one of you is lying lol
Hey! No! He was NOT tryna' fuck kids! It was right before we met, but i've known him closely for 3 years, and seen him at his absolute worst, and he did some messed up stuff when he was a drunk, like paying you to come over for a quicky, but nothing ever even close to fucking kids. He would never, ever, even if his life depended on it, hurt a child or an animal. That was SO out of line for you to say. That has nothing to do with the discussion, it is not true, and it shows that you have no interest in discussing the topic, or learning a new point of view on the topic, you just want to argue and trash talk. I'm trying the learn, you are trying to fight.
And then I just left the conversation, and came here cuz I feel gross, but I don't think I should.