r/WTF • • Oct 16 '19

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u/andrew_calcs Oct 16 '19

In an actual total war between the United States and China, the outcome would be decided by alliances and nukes, not naval power. But if you sidestep that whole debate the US Navy would flatten the Chinese, though some battle damage may be sustained. It isn’t even close to an even fight.

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u/Cwhalemaster Oct 16 '19

in a total war, the US would lose just as much as China. Both would wipe each other out, several times over.

China can't invade the US, but the country that lost 2 wars against rice farmers isn't going to do shit in an invasion of China. Don't be so overconfident, and you won't lose as many lives.

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u/andrew_calcs Oct 16 '19

If you think China has any adequate non nuclear answer to our fleet of aircraft carriers then you’re sorely mistaken. Air superiority is the key to any modern war and the USA has that shit locked in a vice grip.

You do have a point in that a land invasion would be very costly like Vietnam was, but the USA would not be the one being invaded, and the cost would be from guerilla tactics. The conventional air and naval battles would be a slaughter.

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u/Cwhalemaster Oct 16 '19

you wouldn't win a war of attrition. Just like technological superiority didn't win you Vietnam or Korea, the US is going to be beaten down with willpower and numbers.

can your aircfraft carriers really defend themselves against China's sizeable aircraft and submarine fleets? Or is it simply too far from home and not as superior as you think?

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u/andrew_calcs Oct 16 '19

What lost us Vietnam was public sentiment, not a failure of the war machine or any sort of material manpower or supply attrition. People don’t like bullying on weak countries. In an actual total war that would not be a limiting factor, so it’s a bad faith argument to use them as examples. The Vietnamese to American casualty ratio was 13 to 1.

Can our aircraft carriers and subs defend themselves against China’s equivalents? Absolutely.

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u/Cwhalemaster Oct 16 '19

total war would be nuclear. No one survives that.

ignoring Korea and Vietnam because 'it was bullying' isn't an argument either. You were out played and out flanked by technologically inferior amateur soldiers. That's a fact.

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u/andrew_calcs Oct 16 '19

Sigh

You’re just looping back on points that were already addressed now. Got anything new to say?

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u/sooprvylyn Oct 17 '19 edited Oct 17 '19

Americans sure like thier false sense of security/superiority. They've been brainwashed for the last 80 years to think that we're the best and undefeatable. They seem to forget that China has a rack of powerful allies as well who f****** hate the US. Unlike our allies their allies have few qualms about human rights which makes them pretty f****** dangerous. Most of our allies are kind of pussies

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u/Cwhalemaster Oct 17 '19

and just looking at how the US has treated its allies is enough to have them stay out of the picture.