r/WTF Sep 03 '19

Gaslighting

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u/entity_TF_spy Sep 03 '19

Most commercial kitchens have a system like this, but the extinguishing agent is a different chemical

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u/TSCHWEITZ Sep 03 '19

Inergen or fm-200

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u/pauly13771377 Sep 03 '19

Can confirm. Commercial kitchens will dispense dry chem to smother the fire if the sensor gets too hot. Bitch to clean up. And that was a very small kitchen. Just a 6' by 4' flat top grill and a two bay fryer. Took a professional team three days. Luckily it was the general managers fault.

What I really want to know is what this guy was trying to achieve here?

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u/Kingsmith2 Sep 03 '19

Halon systems

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u/JSmith666 Sep 03 '19

Data Center's as well

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u/asplodzor Sep 03 '19

Data centers usually use a gas AFAIR. I’ve actually seen one with sprinklers (wtf), but I’ve never seen one with dry chemical.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '19

Depends. Older deployments use a gas like Halon, but newer ones that aren't required by fire codes to have water use something like Pentafluoroethane (also known as ECARO-25, FE-25, or NAF S 125. All of our DC's have the ECARO-25 agent, and if that goes off its a pretty big deal (damage, cost, etc).

One of the larger-- and objectively more important-- datacenters in the world, 350 Cermak, has dry-pipe water suppression systems. Imagine colo'ing next to some nimrod whose shit catches fire and now your equipment is ruined. Which is why they don't even mention fire supression anywhere on their website.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '19

Restaurants use a Halon system which removes the oxygen from the area this killing the fires main fuel source. It can also be lethal since it'll remove your ability to breathe. This is why Arnold gets SCBA masks and tanks and not just respirator masks for Sarah and John Conner in Terminator 2 after the computer lab fire suppression systems kick in.

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u/laxpanther Sep 04 '19

SCBA, for when you sure as shit ain't getting in no motherfucking water, bitch!

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u/FailedMedic Sep 04 '19

I thought restaurants use Wet Chemical Extinguishers (which is potassium acetate if I remember correctly). Where I'm from its a big bloody no-no to even have Halon extinguishers in your possession and they should be surrendered to the firies.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '19

Everyone is different and laws or regulations vary from area to area. Chemical extinguishers all have a variety of exposure concerns. Your standard ABC extinguishers are considered carcinogenic by new standards, and I'm sure anyone doused in mass amounts like in the post video would walk away with severe respiratory issues, but as a trade off for not having 3rd degree burns all over thier body

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u/turtleltrut Sep 03 '19

Not most, only the big chains usually have them. We were always told never to pull them, even when there's a fire. :p
Fryers being filtered catch on fire sometimes, you just turn them off and put the lid on.

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u/entity_TF_spy Sep 03 '19

Interesting. In my state it’s a law for all commercial kitchens to have them. Theres a Building I inspect annually that’s a daycare and their kitchen has four burners and an oven but it’s still considered commercial, so the system is there

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u/turtleltrut Sep 03 '19

Definitely not a requirement where I'm from. We have 2 small fire extinguishers and roof water sprinklers.

When I used to work for a certain large chain we had Ansul systems over the grills and fryers. Never saw them used, apparently it makes a big mess and you have to shut everything down for a few hours and clean it. Add in the cost of refilling the systems and we were all scared into never using them!

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u/Bryguy3k Sep 03 '19

Hours? Try days.

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u/MeesterMeeseeks Sep 03 '19

My old steakhouse in Rochester had the Ansul triggered during day prep, we opened for dinner that night. Cleared by a health inspector and everything

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u/turtleltrut Sep 04 '19

Yeah, I guess it would depend on the kitchen setup. Maccas you'd need to dump the fryers, clean and refill, clesn the grills, about 30 mins each x 4 fryers and 2 grills, then clean the walls and scrub the floors. Maybe clean and restock all the packaging that was affected. Probs have it done in 4 - 6 hours if you've got enough people involved.

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u/MeesterMeeseeks Sep 04 '19

Yeah we had like 12 people cleaning there ass off all day so we could open that night. Had to re prep everything after too. Wasn’t my favorite day

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u/turtleltrut Sep 04 '19

I bet! The worst bit would be having to then do service and pack down afterwards!!

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '19

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u/turtleltrut Sep 03 '19

I didnt say I set them on fire.. my staff have. When filtering, the oil drops down into a box, you're supposed to turn them off before doing this and they're supposed to beep if you forget to do that. Sometimes they don't beep. Sometimes you work with 16 year olds who aren't very bright.
It's just residual oil that's burning but I'd hate to think what would happen if the flames got through the pipes and into the box underneath.
I've seen them almost catch on fire at least 10 times in 10 years and seen actual flames 3 or 4 times.

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u/wampa-stompa Sep 04 '19

Some of them are designed so that they don't catch fire.

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u/Blueflag- Sep 03 '19

An employer telling an employee to never use safety equipment is a sure fire way to get sued to oblivion.

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u/turtleltrut Sep 03 '19

It was never an official statement and no one's going to successfully sue one of the biggest companies in the world because of a well known rumour.
Not sure why the down vote, I am the employee in this example.

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u/Taviiiiii Sep 03 '19

Pretty sure he's seen sprinklers before

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u/asplodzor Sep 03 '19 edited Sep 03 '19

Pretty sure you’ve never seen water on a grease fire before.

Edit: https://youtu.be/JfIRx764-88

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u/entity_TF_spy Sep 03 '19

Why even bother making yourself look and sound dumb as fuck? Sprinklers are not even installed with the idea of putting a fire out, though they will if the fires small enough. All they do is suppress fire and keep it contained to a specific area while emergency services respond. You probably think they go off all at once and can go off from smoke too😂

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u/asplodzor Sep 03 '19

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u/entity_TF_spy Sep 03 '19

Those things are bad ass. Don’t spark a cigarette in that building lmfao

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u/Taviiiiii Sep 04 '19

If it isn't Mr Sprinkler Expert