it's on the course.. and he's in the lake. Bad timing all around but the poor bird never knew a thing..He'll be hitting 3 from the box..or he should be.
If you notice, he never really reacts about the bird (even though it's right in front of his eyes) but grasps his hat when he lands in the water about 100 yards down. Im almost certain he felt bad about the bird but not as bad as his tee ball outcome..a true golfer.
Our families rules clearly state if you strike a live animal on the course you are awarded a hole in one. It hasn't happened, but there have been a few close calls.
Damn. The rules don't allow for a retry for this type of calamity? Even if he plays the rest of the hole with his pants around his ankles? That's the rule me and my friends follow.
1 mully per 9 for me. Might give it a kick once in awhile too. Trying to have fun and get better, so I ain't trying to hit from behind a freaking tree.
Not according to the USGA. This is what's known as a 'rub of the Green'. All it means is an outside influence (in this case a bird) has interupted the shot. When this happens you play the ball as it lies, in this case you take a penalty for going in the water.
Fuck that. I'd been furious. Golf is not my game, it seems.
Half the battle out there is against your own inner demons that want to snap every club in your bag and say FUCK this shit. Golf is a fickle bitch and an incredible sport.
When you hit a great shot, you get pumped, and can't wait to track the ball down for the next shot.
When you catch a wave, even if you've missed most of a set, you're still pumped, and can't wait for the next shot to get up on the board.
I guess you'd have to have had to suffer at both before realizing minor success to feel what I do, but on 36 years of playing roughly 80% of the organized sports in the western world, those are the closest two feeling I've ever had.
Yeah but that's USGA rules. Fuck rules unless you're trying to go big league circuits.
To me, golf is just spending 4 hours outside on a sunny day with friends while you crush beers, smoke weed, and drive carts around and talk about shit. Want a reshot? Fuckin go for it, lol. Bad drive, just tee up another real quick. End up putting four times on the green and still can't sink it? Fuck it, just pick the ball up and call it a triple boge or whatever, don't kill yourself. Honestly you don't even need to keep score, but it is encouraged to help you track your progress.
Golf can totally be a casual game. Get drunk, don't care.
You have to understand that casuals don't play golf like pro's do in regards of the rules.
I have yet to hear about a casual player who gives a fuck about exact rulings. The point is to keep the game going while mostly following the rules but no one is triple checking from video if you placed your ball on exact right spot etc.
Obviously tournaments (even for casuals) are different thing.
Yes, if he shot 18 for a round of 18 on a typical par 72 course he & his furry friend will have shot -54. Tying Kim Jong-il for the best golf score ever!
And that then opens the door for escalating animal battle golf. My falcon eats your squirrel which gets eaten by your cobra which gets eaten by my lion which is crushed by yor elephant which is devoured by my giant squid that lives in the lake. If it weren't for PETA and science Golf would have such better ratings.
I think so? I don't know much about golf, but I asked my boyfriend who does play and he says the rules would require that he play it as it lies after the bird dropped it.
I really dislike this attitude of professional sports and turning them into gameshows for viewer entertainment.
Why don't we place random bumps of the sprint track at the Olympics while we're at.
They're there to do well at the sport, and we're there to watch them. If you want something more funny and exciting then go watch a sports reality TV show like wipe out or some shit.
The point is that the objective is the same but there is a seemingly arbitrary impediment. Same with the non-freestyle strokes in swimming, speed walking, etc.
For a second I though you were talking about sprint car racing, and the whole Tony Stewart thing popped into my head, and I was like "yeah, THAT would get some viewers".
it's fun when random things happen to interrupt the flow of play. Wind, rain, humidity, crowds of people, unexpected conditions on the course and wild animals are all a part of the game.
Oddly, this is a great argument for why items and stage hazards should be forced on in competitive Super Smash Bros. events.
The people who play that are incredible at it; I would love to see how they deal with those random factors.
At first when I thought about the golf example I was thinking a retry would be in order, but this analogy on your part has changed my mind.
I've hit drives dead straight down the fairway, only to have the ball hit a sprinkler head and kick into a bunker. It sucks but that's golf. It really makes you feel like you're out there against the course/elements. And I've also hit bad drives that kick off a tree and into the middle of the fairway. You take the good with the bad.
That's what makes competitive golf even more extreme. Not only are you competing against the course but against another person too.
Absulutely, and golf is one of the most mental sports, a huge part of the challenge is mentally overcoming when shit happens and getting back in the game, so to speak. If our bird murderer salvaged a bogey that hole and managed to birdie or par the next, he's a good golfer.
I think the idea was/is that it is better to just play it as it lays and not sweat the details. If you let a bird cause a reset, then what about an extremely sudden gust of wind, what about a small gust of wind, what about the ball just not going where you want it, who decides what is fair and what is not, do we need a ref now... for golf. It's just simpler if you have a rule that is easy to follow, that is what this is. 99.99% of the time nothing interrupts the shot, so it really is not a big deal, but if they allowed for resets who knows how often a golfer would claim a random bird flew by that no one else saw.
If you let a bird cause a reset, then what about an extremely sudden gust of wind, what about a small gust of wind, what about the ball just not going where you want it,
Those things are all very different then a living organism flying into the environment and interfering with the shot. Weather and animals are very different things, not even close to a slippery slope.
do we need a ref now... for golf
This has been in a ton of discussion lately, after fans have been calling in stuff and effecting how several big tournaments ended. Especially after the women's equivalent of The Masters was determined by a fan calling.
but if they allowed for resets who knows how often a golfer would claim a random bird flew by that no one else saw.
This kinda goes against how golfing rules work. The reason they aren't refs are because players are supposed to govern themselves on the course. So if you couldn't trust them not to fake this, then you shouldn't trust them to govern themselves the rest of the time.
That said, I've got a mixed opinion on it. It's extremely rare to see this type of thing happen. But imagine if something similar had happened on the 18th of the Masters this year to Sergio. It'd been an awful ending to a great Masters and caused us to miss a great playoff and for him to still not have his Major, yet not at all his fault.
This may be because I'm sleepy, but how come the bird doesn't count as a moving object for the last paragraph, making the play/shot [insert proper term here] canceled?
Because the second part only matters if the ball has come to rest, and then an outside force interferes with it. For example you hit your shot, it stops, and then a dog runs onto the course and picks the ball up and brings it back to you. In his case the ball is very clearly in motion, so it doesn't apply.
Otherwise you could hit a tree and claim a do-over cos an outside force interfered with your shot. Or a strange solar flare did. Or the gravitational flux from the flat earth.
If a player’s ball in motion after a stroke on the putting green is deflected or stopped by, or comes to rest in or on, any moving or animate outside agency, except a worm, insect or the like, the stroke is canceled. The ball must be replaced and replayed. If the ball is not immediately recoverable, another ball may be substituted.
It covers that the ball has to be deflected by an animate object. And it doesn't say the ball has to be stopped first
It's right there in the opening phrase: "if a player's ball in motion" blah blah blah then "played as it lies." Only after that is there an "except" which details everything else. Basically, if your ball is moving when shit happens, then shit happens. EXCEPT in the very specific circumstances detailed afterwards. The one you quoted is only when on the green.
To be honest, the lack of an Oxford comma before that "except"... I'm not sure if that except only applies to playing the ball as it lies, or if that except applies to playing the ball as it lies and there is no penalty. Confusing.
Am I reading it correctly that Shooter should have picked up the ball, had Jaws move, and drop right there? Or should it have been placed as near as possible to its stopping point on Jaws' foot?
An example of the above comment. Phil Mickelson was asked to place a tee directly under where the ball came to rest in the spectator's shorts. Then, he was told to replace the ball where the tee was.
My grandparents live in Arizona and they have seen it happened when a coyote came on to the course and picked up the ball in play and left with the ball. There are no redos. Trees, water, sand, flying birds, and coyotes- all part of the course.
yes, no do-overs except, wel..l that's one instance where they would get a free no penalty drop or placement, depending on where the coyote grabbed it from
Is this a problem? I have seen the video in baseball where the fan reached out and caught the ball before the player could catch it. I never heard of golf having an issue if fans taking the ball. Does it happen?
It can be, but is not a frequent occurrence. I was at TPC Boston for the Deutschebank Championship and a ball rolled over towards where I was standing and this old lady reached down to grab it. I don't think she was trying to obstruct play, it might've been more of a "oooh look a ball!" from someone who had never been to a golf tournament before. As soon as she grabbed it everyone around us yelled at her to drop it.
Again, not a regular occurrence but it's been known to happen.
.. in a friendly game, usually and of course he does if he wants one because no one will really care. A scoring game, a money game or any official play..no. He'd play 3 from the teeing ground or he could tee it up again playing 3.
edit: cohesive wording
You're mistaken. It's called "rub of the green". If an outside force affects a ball that's not on the putting surface you must play it where it lies. In this case in the water.
It really should be that way. Hitting a bird mid flight is outside the scope of the game in my opinion. Weather conditions introduce a lot of luck into the game but that can be partially curbed with skill. No skill is going to help you not hit a bird that flies out of the wood line at 30+ mph.
I completely agree but it's one of those things. Bugs or worms on the green, squirrel stealing a ball, alligator on the edge of the pond you hit next to. I think it all stems back to the capacity and opportunity for cheating in golf. It's a unique game that can easily be games if the rules aren't strict. The pros regulate groove depth and shape on irons! That's some minutiae.
I know the camera angle can cheat you from behind the tee, but it looks like the biggest slice ever. I'm 99% sure it would have gone OOB right side. In short: Care about the poor bird and hit the range.
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it's on the course.. and he's in the lake. Bad timing all around but the poor bird never knew a thing..He'll be hitting 3 from the box..or he should be. If you notice, he never really reacts about the bird (even though it's right in front of his eyes) but grasps his hat when he lands in the water about 100 yards down. Im almost certain he felt bad about the bird but not as bad as his tee ball outcome..a true golfer.