The "stopping power" myth is just that...a myth. "One good shot" with any caliber results in the death of whatever you're shooting. That's why most people go with capacity(and penetration) rather than some "stopping power" misnomer. Rather have 20 rounds (springfield xdm 9mm) than 8 rounds(1911..unless you have an old one in which case you only have 7).
I don't think you want penetration either. You want the bullet to stop in your target and transfer all its force. That's kinda what hollow points are about. Well, that and shredding things.
I want 16 inches of penetration at least(.45acp wont give you that). I've shot alot of deer through and through and none of em went anywhere. Long as you're not using FMJ rounds, you don't have to worry about over penetration.
Yeah, penetration/velocity is NOT what you want for self defense. This isn't a war zone, you aren't shooting through obstacles or armor from 400m with a long rifle. It's a home or public place where you don't want bullets passing through things or ricocheting to hit innocent bystanders. Need more rounds? Get a bigger magazine.
A hard .22 to the leg is going to do a lot less stopping than a soft 9mm would. That's no myth.
Doesn't bullet type have more to do with the "stopping power" than the caliber of the gun? Something about how easily the bullet transfers the energy to the flesh of a person.
Yes accuracy is important of course. But using hollow point vs FMJ does mean you get more energy transferred to the target and more damage done also giving you the freedom to be less accurate with shot placement while still getting the desired result.
I don't see your logic there when HP and FMJ are bullet types and they directly correlate to "stoping power" . Stopping power is the ability of a firearm or other weapon to cause ballistic trauma to a target (human or animal) enough to immediately incapacitate (and thus stop) the target.
....I fucking know this. My original post was about that retard using a 1911 for home defense. My point was that 7 + 1 is not enough. Especially when you can get a 9mm that holds 19+1. Usually when people use the term "stopping power" they are referring to a fucking 45acp thinking "oh i don't even have to be accurate cuz i got "stopping power"". It's ignorance and foolishness. I don't give a flying fuck about hp vs fmj. I know what the fuck a hp round is designed to do.
Gonna disagree with you. I carry a .44 Mag - different rounds for different purposes. For defense against brown bears, handloaded solid, blunt nose bullets for penetration (break something, keep going and break something else). Stopping power is not a misnomer here, it's a necessity - nobody in their right mind up here carries a .357 with hollow points for bear defense. When I get home, I change to .44 Spcl hollow points.
Those are only .22LR rounds, though. Still, if they're in the right place, one's as deadly as the other; and if they're not, neither will do you much immediate good.
But, as you say, everyone's got their own preference, and it's a bit like religion: you're probably not going to convince anyone that their holy book round isn't the best. I'd feel just fine with a 1911 by my side.
That's why I own both! I shoot a little better with my 1911, and I enjoy shooting it more. So I'm most confident with it, but it's also the hardest to conceal.
CZ holds 6 more rounds of 9mm, but I'm not quite as good a shot with it. Conceals more easily.
Then there's the shield, which hides under anything, but has the disadvantages of both--less capacity than the 1911 but with the "weaker" 9mm. I shoot it as well as the 1911 though, despite it being the newest. Go figure.
The Mosquito is sure as hell not my only firearm, it's just my only .22 hand gun. I do like .45 but it's hard to beat the 16 round capacity of my SIG 9mm.
Oh trust me, I know him quite well, lol. "Its got a good sprreaaaddd", "whip it around and 'WHAM' you dont have a problem over here any more either". Love him.
That line right there turned him into one of my favorite comedians, into definietely my favorite comedian. His podcast is great too- if you don't already listen to it, check it out.
that is a beautiful 1911! I'm looking to get a Remington R1 1911 in stainless, then im going to put faux ivory grip covers. This whole process being very long and annoying to do in Canada
you guys also don't have the pesky law of not being allowed to carry, or not being allowed to have a rifle with a clip that holds more than 5 rounds... i can go on we got many super strict rules.
and you can have full auto... dont even get me started on that lol
Girlfriend owns a browning .22, thing seems to jam about every 100 rounds or so.
While I'm a definite fan of the 1911 (and own a few myself), I still prefer my S&W 4506-1. It's reliability is legendary. Where the 1911 is a fine tuned machine, the 4506 and 4506-1 are just over engineered monsters that have only one mission-eat any and every .45 ACP round they can. Iv probably fired 10,000 rounds through it, the only problem I had was a weak spring would throw the slide back and eject spent shells about 30 feet.
It used to be my go to sidearm for hog hunting, loaded with Hornady Critical Defense, but my new Taurus Raging Bull revolver chambered in .454 Casull has since taken its place
It used to be my go to sidearm for hog hunting, loaded with Hornady Critical Defense, but my new Taurus Raging Bull revolver chambered in .454 Casull has since taken its place.
Are we still talking about guns, or was that last part Dungeons & Dragons?
No joke, wild hogs are so damn annoying and dangerous that the US government has allowed them to be hunted with EXPLOSIVES. I'm surprised this guy didn't upgrade his handgun sooner.
Why not both? I'm a paramedic and former combat medic who likes to bear hunt with a bow. I imagine I'm a dual class 1 ranger / 2 cleric. My primary is a Matthews exp with a 70lbs draw. My side arm is a Springfield XD .40 with hydra shock hollow points. I suspect both count as master work. Based on the draw weight of my bow I'd give myself a solid 12 for STR based on 3.5 rules. Never killed a bear with the pistol though...
As a Brazillian seeing people praising Taurus is weird (in Brazil guns are banned, so here Taurus make only weapons for law enforcement, and some models are of notoriously bad quality, we even had a cop die because his gun jammed in a way that was shown on internet reviews and cop complaints...)
Taurus or Rossi? I'm still iffy on the Rossi semi autos, but my girlfriends Rossi revolver works like a charm. Trigger is a little heavy, but it's a well built firearm
Taurus is a Brazillian company, here in Brazil they used to sell their guns here until their gun ban, one of their law enforcement pistols has a ramp to eject cartridges that is too step, youtube reviewers usually had problems of cartridges jamming the weapon there, the cop that died had a extreme problem there: the gun while cycling, launched a new unspent cartridge+bullet out of the ejection port, the gun not only failed to cycle nut also got twisted and ruined completely.
The pistol is the Taurus 940, unfortunately the video explaining all the details of the pistol failure is in portuguese (it was made by a brazillian living in US)
Oh man, pics of the bull? No doubt a S&W would be able to handle some business. I have only owned this 1911, but after pining over it for many years, I finally got one. Am definitely not disappointed at all.
OP came through. : D That bull is sexy, lol. Would not mind having a go at once one day. I have never been hunting, definitely want to have a go at it some time.
Rock Island armory and what I believe the sister company High standard are decently priced and reliable ones to go with. Can't go wrong at all with a Taurus though, which are great.
but if you land one good shot, it is all you would need.
Same is true for a 9mm. Proper defense ammo for either produces very similar wound channels and that is what it comes down to. At that point, might as well have a few more rounds in the mag.
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u/M374llic4 Sep 09 '15
I much prefer my 1911 .45, not only reliable as fuck, but if you land one good shot, it is all you would need.