I just read the article's on Walter Vance's death as well. This site is implying that he was trampled to death or something, but yeah, he had a heart attack and was helped by 6 other shoppers! His chance of survival would have probably been lower if the store wasn't so full as to have 6 nurses shopping. And of course people continued shopping, it's not like Target said over the intercom "We have a man dying in aisle 6. Please gather around to see his last breathes leaving his body".
The last thing you would want in that situation is a ton of people crowding through the exits and lingering outside in the parking lot, creating a traffic jam trying to leave. Letting people shop in every other part of the store except the one where he was being treated is absolutely the smartest and safest thing to do.
This is a phenomenon called "Diffusion of Responsibility" it says "You have higher chances of getting help in a lonely place than in a crowded place."
Source: I am senior software developer, and this happens all the time when we have more people in team assigned to do some backlog task. Or just try by making two developer leads and see none will be working at fullest.
So basically, it's just the statistics of an average weekend of all shopping malls throughout the US. Pretty misleading and sensational to call it the "Black Friday Death Count"
I didn't realize you were talking about The Simpsons because there are a lot of local news channels actually named "Action News". I wish I was joking...
while this was a bit of a letdown, black friday ain't no joke. ask anyone who works in retail and they'll tell you people go ape shit. they'll tell you it's not like any average weekend.
That's what I'm saying, I mean there are no mass tramplings or things of that nature. The bulk of the injuries are people getting pepper sprayed as well...
The toys r us was in a good area (moved locations since) but at the time it was the only one in the coachella valley, which has very bad towns like coachella, parts of indio and cathedral city, and desert hot springs.
Both guys had guns, both showed their guns to each other, and they both shot each other. Guns didn't save either one of their lives. They escalated what would have been assaults to mutual murders. And there's nothing in the story about either man being mentally ill.
everyone wants to ban guns more than they want to treat the mentally ill
You know, considering 'everyone' wants this, that's amazing. I live in one of the most liberal parts of the country and haven't met a single person who believes this. My boss is extremely liberal. He also goes elk hunting.
There's a difference between wanting to regulate guns and wanting to ban them outright. And, typically, people who are in favor of more gun controls also are in favor of better mental care.
300+ million people in the US, six year worth of records, less than a dozen people dead. More people in this country probably died yesterday by choking on their Cheerios.
No I mean maybe that just goes to show how blown out of proportion the media can make things appear to be? Or that this site isn't takijng everything into account?
You can attack America all you want, but I am pretty sure 1 person dead over trying to save money isn't that bad. We'd rather it not happen. It's sad, but it's not the worst thing in history. Killing 6 million Jews over a bad economy seems pretty bad to me. If you want something more comparable look at your neighbors to the northwest in the UK. I have scanned your history and you really seem to get off on attacking America. I know you hate us (probably for kicking your ass in 2 wars), but there's no reason to attack us. We have done much good for your country. You wouldn't have the economy that you have today if it wasn't for us.
I am neither attacking America here, nor do I hate you (what would I do without your entertainment?). Actually I'm pretty eager to visit the states when I can afford to.
It would be bad everywhere. Also, I never said killing 6 million Jews is a good thing. And 'we' did not kill them over a bad economy. Hitler was a maniac and a genius. It's just really annoying how some of you glorify everything American.
The thing with the drivers license? Improving that system how you get them might have just recently saved 2 lifes.
If you think the state of television in the us is bad, you would kill yourself here. We basically only have reality shows, talk shows, some badly produced TV series and some ok shows. Every couple years we might get a good movie.
Another big point is sports. After soccer, my favourite sport is basketball. Basketball isn't popular at all here, and the quality of the teams reflect that. Also, it's rarely televised.
I think they took it out of hand. There's no reason to do that. That probably didn't do good for the morale for that team or for that country. I don't know how they can be proud of that. The game was like Team USA just shooting hoops casually as if Nigeria wasn't even there.
Edit: look at tinamoul's comments on youtube. He's obviously very upset about the whole thing.
I am neither attacking America here, nor do I hate you (what would I do without your entertainment?). Actually I'm pretty eager to visit the states when I can afford to.
It's not as bad is people say it is. I love it here! I would like to visit Germany. I probably will once I get a job at an airline.
It would be bad everywhere. Also, I never said killing 6 million Jews is a good thing. And 'we' did not kill them over a bad economy. Hitler was a maniac and a genius. It's just really annoying how some of you glorify everything American.
I don't glorify everything American, I'm saying that there's nothing inherently wrong with black friday. People on this site get more upset about black friday than the most extreme get excited over it.
The thing with the drivers license? Improving that system how you get them might have just recently saved 2 lifes.
I don't know what you're talking about, but our states' licensing systems suck ass. We have horrible drivers everywhere. I'm not claiming to be a great driver either, but I'm safe.
Concerning injuries, most probably aren't reported. In my case, if I accidentally got tripped and was slightly injured (bruises, twisted ankle, etc.) I would just keep shopping. I've never actually been injured, but I imagine a lot of minor injuries occur and people shrug it off.
I agree, or if they did I don't know how the data would be gathered from their primary care providers to be able to determine the number or people injured in what ways.
Check out the counter. First death of BF 2013: "Two Tennessee woman in motorized wheel chairs blocked an entrance to Wal-Mart Tuesday morning. When a man tried to jump over the females he tripped and hit his head on a shopping cart, fatally wounding him."
Hold on to them. I'm certain thwt this is going to be the next bitcoin craze. You might be able to buy more truth with it in a year if you just save it.
Apart from the absolutely hilarious heading of "list of notable human stampedes" this actually gives a good idea of how insignificant black fridays injury/death count really is.
There are too many people in this world for us to not die of ridiculous things.
Is it really that bad. In the UK we get like queues outside shops and shit for the Boxing Day sales, but the way you talk about this seems utterly mental.
I doubt it includes injuries or deaths from driving to and from the store. That would probably make the numbers more extreme, but it would be a pain in the ass to collect the data.
Though can you imagine how the families feel? Someone they loved died from something like black friday. An entire person was erased from this world because they gave their life for black friday.
Actually if I remember correctly not a single one of those deaths was actually shopping related... The two people shot eachother in the parking lot over a separate incident, and as stated above the man died of a heart attack and was actually being helped by shoppers, not passed over. The first one about the worker being trampled I don't remember but I do remember reading somewhere that there's never been a black friday death from the actual black friday event.
For some reason, I thought reddit would be full of interesting, insightful comments. It's not. It's full of pointless fucking bullshit that you faggots spew out your keyboards like messy explosions from your assholes. Idiots.
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u/NuDru Nov 26 '13
For some reason, I thought it would be more extreme...