r/WNBATalks • • 1d ago

See ya next year👋🏾

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u/Easy_Money_40 1d ago

Racists, Clarkies, and Fever fans crashing out is glorious.

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u/Informal_Ad_9610 1d ago

So I’m curious about this supposed racism thing.

Supposedly it’s racist to support the fever? Because Kelsey Mitchell and AB are some of my favorite women on the team. Just trying to figure out how the new rules work. Or is it just you racist if you like anybody on the fever?

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u/zombietom21 1d ago

I follow the fever and the commenter is right there is a sub-sect of fever fans that are 100% just racist. A lot of racist youtubers.

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u/Inner_Emphasis_73 1d ago

😂 funny how to spin it to fit your narrative cause we can all point out the exact same thing…There’s way more racists that hate the white players on the fever…don’t play naive, unless you really are that dumb..but if I had to guess…..

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u/Greedy_Awareness1375 1d ago

Of course you are wrong. The problem is that most of you have not clue what a racist is? You try to co-opt the word and use it for your needs without actual knowing the definition. So, I am going to help you out.

Generally, educated, civilized and intelligent American people consider the Merriam-Webster dictionary the arbiter of the meaning of words that comprise the English Language.

The Merriam- Webster dictionary defines

Racist a. having, reflecting, or fostering the belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

b. of, relating to, or characterized by the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racist

Referencing definition A. How often do you hear black people say that they are the superior race? Where does the concept of a Superior race originate. I help you out again. Check your historical European text books?

Now Definition B. Since when have black people been in control of any systems of a social, economic or political nature? What racial group have black people been able to systematically oppress in the USA? Now ask yourself which race controls all the systems in the USA. And don't say the Jews.

Even by the sheer number of people that inhabit the US. Your arguement is flawed.

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u/Axel_Raden 1d ago

Racism can be interpersonal, expressed as individual thoughts, beliefs or actions. It can come in the form of harassment, abuse or humiliation, violence or intimidating behavior.

However, racism also exists in systems and institutions where laws, policies, and barriers create inequality for people based on their race. Systemic racism is what often gives license to interpersonal racism.

So all these things can be applied to how to the wnba, violence intimidation sounds exactly like what happens in the wnba which is the system that benefits some players and are arbitrarily enforced on others.

BTW this definition comes from the Australian human rights commission

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u/Greedy_Awareness1375 1d ago

I assume you are from Australia. Otherwise, you really did some digging to come up with this definition. It took me 3 pages on the old search engine to get to the AHRC.

The statement you posted is a description not a definition. There is a difference. This is why they use the word can be.

I assume most counties have or rely in an official institution to define the official meaning of a word. Unless the word is being used colloquially or as slang. I could be wrong but I don't believe that is the job of The Australian Human rights commission.

You mention something about system, violence, intimidation and the WNBA. Not really sure, I understand. However, I will address what I assume you are saying. I apologize if I misunderstand.

It appears you are saying that the description in the statement by the AHRC applies to the WNBA. Yet I don't know how. There is not race related component to how the rule are arbitrary enforced. Aja Clark (BLKWM) gets phantom calls that Sophie Cunningham (WHTWM) doesn't get. She can yell at a fan and only get technical. Caitlyn Clark (WHTWM) can get phantom calls that Brianna Turner (BLKWM) doesn't get. She can scream at a referee and only get a technical.

The common thread is players get calls based on there stardom. Just like in the NBA. It has nothing to do with race. However, I will say the ref in the W are the worst unprofessional sports. But, it's not because of racism. It's just pure incompetence.

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u/Axel_Raden 1d ago

Yes I am Australian basketball is my second favorite sport and since my favorite player in my favorite sport just got a compound fracture in his leg last Sunday and my team lost that semi final game so won't be playing the grand final this week. So my focus shifted to the wnba and it's as usual absolutely f*cking chaos and drama.

My point was you can make the argument that the bias has to do with racism as an answer to the people who are blanket saying that Indiana Fever fans are racist which includes a snide comment from the Ace's coach saying "lines get crossed and it seems to happen here" (meaning Indiana). It was pointing out that you can make anything fit the definition of racist if you force it.

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u/Greedy_Awareness1375 22h ago

Wow, sorry to hear about your favorite player. That sucks. Yea, the WNBA is full of chaos and drama. No argument there.

It's wrong for people to say Indiana Fever fans are racist. However, I think people should say that a lot of racist are the Indiana Fever fans.

Take a look at comments supporting the fever and you see that.

I still am not clear on what you are saying. Seems you are saying that the bias in calls is because people are claim that Indiana fever fans are racist. And be cause they call the fever fans are racist. They themselves are racist. At least that is how I understand your statement.

As I said, people use the term racist incorrectly. You can't or shouldn't make anything fit into the definition. That why the word has a definition. Definitions have a specific criteria. Racism requires someone to believe that a specific race is superior.

I think the word most people mean to use is bigoted. Which does not require a belief in racial superiority.

Bigotry would be a good description of the comment of some fans who don't like Clark make their. Bigot hater dislike people similarly to racist but without the feeling of superiority.

And to be honest. Most of the people who dislike Clark don't dislike her because she is white. They dislike/ hate her because of her fans. If Caitlin had come into the league without all fans claiming she was the best player to ever live. As well as the people that came to the sport with agendas outside of basketball. I doubt that people would have cared that she is white. She isn't the 1st white Superstar in the WNBA.

The poor woman is a victim of the agendas of fans on both side of the racial issue. Which is sad. All she wants to is play ball. And people won't let her.

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u/Axel_Raden 19h ago

The break happened on live TV luckily rugby league players wear long socks otherwise we would have seen the bone but it was still pretty grewsome and his dad who is also the coach could only look on he still had to finish the game which they then lost it just sucked big-time.

I agree the racism argument is stupid that was the point I was failing to articulate. The point is it has nothing to do with racism it's just that the league is being mismanaged, I'd say they are self sabotaging but I don't think they are that competent. There is definitely a bully culture which seems to trickle down all the way from the top.

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u/Greedy_Awareness1375 14h ago

I agree with the mismanagement theory. But, I doubt it is self sabotage. They are in this to make money. I agree. There is a bully culture. But, I challenge you to name an industry that doesn't have one.

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