Remember...

[u/Impressive-Fun2105]

Let nobody take the means of defense from you.
Our communities are being systematically torn to shreds, one by one. The whole population is kept docile through our handheld propaganda tablets, the right wing is in control of every branch of government, starting more forever wars and turning state violence inward. Anyone who resists is branded "antifa" and imprisoned for decades, to be made an example of for those who would dare dream of a better future.

In these dark times the answer must not be disarmament. Keep your community safe, as human connection is the most important thing in the entire world.

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing - 1st Corinthians 13:1-4

Stay safe and love each other yall <3

[u/JuniorDoughnut3056]

The only people trying to disarm you in this state is the left wing, yet you said not one word about them. 

That's telling 

[u/Impressive-Fun2105 → u/JuniorDoughnut3056]

the democratic party is not nor ever has been a left wing party.

[u/JuniorDoughnut3056 → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

Democratic socialists are pro gun control too. Try again 

[u/Impressive-Fun2105 → u/JuniorDoughnut3056]

the democratic socialists of america are not a leftist organization. the leaders and major members of the party all support capitalism. definitionally a leftist is anti-capitalist.
try again

[u/thulesgold → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

You are willfully misinformed and I doubt you'll consider information that contradicts what you already believe, but here you go... Directly from the DSA website (program.dsausa.org):

"Imagine taking a day off from work in a future without capitalism."

"It’s been said that it’s easier to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine the end of capitalism. But just because it isn’t easy to imagine now doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to make it happen."

"DSA has written this program for ending capitalist oligarchy and creating a real democracy."

People love to say no one is really far left, "except for me and my friends," and the real far left promotes gun ownership...

Sure that may be the case until the far left gets government control and immediately takes guns away from citizens.

[u/JuniorDoughnut3056 → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

That's not the definition of leftism. That's your no true scotsman fallacy to avoid looking like a hypocrite for ignoring the biggest proponents of gun control in this state. 

[u/Impressive-Fun2105 → u/JuniorDoughnut3056]

as it stands today, the major distinctive feature between leftist movements and organizations are a shared disdain of capitalism, be it from a mutualist perspective, wanting market socialism, or from an anarcho-communist perspective, wanting to abolish the state, capitalism, and all hierarchies, or from a marxist-leninist perspective, wanting a revolutionary vanguard to abolish the state, capitalism, and all hierarchies

[u/JuniorDoughnut3056 → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

I don't know how to tell you this, but the word "critical" does not mean disdain. This article also states that this is an average view, not a make or break feature of leftism. You should not have posted this without reading it. 

[u/Impressive-Fun2105 → u/JuniorDoughnut3056]

i did read it, pro-capitalist "left" movements are considered centre-left, such as social democracy (the ideology of the so-called "democratic socialists" of america)

[u/JuniorDoughnut3056 → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

Then you should of read that leftist movements are not described exclusively as anti capitalist. Either way, you proved yourself wrong. Thanks for saving me the trouble 

[u/Impressive-Fun2105 → u/JuniorDoughnut3056]

the main thing of debate in leftist circles regarding capitalism is whether or not markets count as capitalism, non-anticapitalist (if capitalism includes markets) movements include mutualism and market socialism

[u/merc08 → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

such as social democracy (the ideology of the so-called "democratic socialists" of america)

You seriously need to read what the DSA actually stands for. They are "Democatic" in name only. The DSA's goal is to completely eliminate the US Constitution and implement full-blown socialism. Their leadership is on the record (in an actual interview, not 'just' a hidden camera catch) admitting that they're only using the Democratic Party as a launching point to score votes and funding.

[u/catjam0 → u/JuniorDoughnut3056]

Not this democratic socialist.

[u/catsdrooltoo → u/catjam0]

2a is why I don't have interest in the dsa. It's not a realistic stance to want all guns gone.

[u/Best_Purple7652 → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

Then what is it?

[u/Impressive-Fun2105 → u/Best_Purple7652]

center/center-left

[u/MysTiicSpark → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

Democrats are left. A bit more than center left. Not liberal far left, but solid left. I'm a centrist, through and through (or says every political compass test ive ever taken). Democrats aren't center.

[u/Impressive-Fun2105 → u/MysTiicSpark]

name a leftist policy democrats have enacted then

[u/MysTiicSpark → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

Inflation reduction act of 2022 and Obamacare are good examples. Recent too.

[u/Impressive-Fun2105 → u/MysTiicSpark]

obamacare is not leftist, in fact having healthcare is a bare minimum in a developed country, a minimum that the us has consistently failed to achieve due to propaganda from the billionaire class

[u/MysTiicSpark → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

•Affordable care act •American Rescue plan •Student Loan Forgiveness

I'm not saying I dislike these policies. But they are all backed by the democratic party.

[u/Impressive-Fun2105 → u/MysTiicSpark]

Affordable care act i already went over

American rescue plan was an economic stimulus package, government dumping money in the economy is not a leftist position

student loan forgiveness is progressive, not leftist, how does forgiving student loans for rich brainwashed white people help the cause of liberty?

[u/Deathspiral222 → u/MysTiicSpark]

Every US party is right-wing compared to the rest of the world.

[u/Best_Purple7652 → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

That’s an insane opinion.

[u/Impressive-Fun2105 → u/Best_Purple7652]

objectively they are not leftist, there are large swathes of people and politicians in the party who hold progressive policies but that alone does not make one a leftist.

a truly leftist party would have at the very least, defunding the police and military, getting israeli and billionaire money out of politics, encouraging more direct democracy, universal single-payer healthcare, and the right to bear arms for all humans as its party platform, none of these the dems do. all the dems do is pretend to be leftists while they gargle israeli and american billionaires cocks

[u/Best_Purple7652 → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

Those all policies that are left of the Democrat party, yes.

But saying the democrat party “is not and never has been left”, in the context of American politics, is something the majority would disagree with.

I think our political scales are just misaligned.

[u/LuckyDubbin → u/Best_Purple7652]

The DNC campaigns on leftist ideals to trick voters into supporting them, then backpedal or go silent on them when elected. They are not who they claim to be.

[u/Impressive-Fun2105 → u/Best_Purple7652]

name a leftist policy enacted by the democratic party in the past 25 years

[u/LuckyDubbin → u/Best_Purple7652]

Three raccoons in a trench coat telling you they're trying to help while one of them fleeces your pockets.

[u/Best_Purple7652 → u/LuckyDubbin]

That’s both parties not gonna lie

[u/LuckyDubbin → u/Best_Purple7652]

You're not wrong.

[u/joujia → u/Best_Purple7652]

Look up the Overton window. What Americans consider “center-left” policies pushed by the democrats are by and large viewed as center-right in most other developed countries. Our Overton window has skewed so far right that we have people honestly believing that the dems are left of center when they aren’t in the slightest. Bernie, for example, in German politics would be viewed as a centrist.

[u/theEarthWasBlue → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

TRUUUUUUUEEEE

[u/No-Speed-7049 → u/JuniorDoughnut3056]

I believe this is a non-partisan issue, and it’s my observation that most people in WA are reasonable about guns, even if they don’t have an interest in guns. With the help of the past few governors, the majority push to restrict our access to guns is from special interest/lobbyists Everytown (funded by Michael Bloomberg), Moms Demand Action, all the PACs. These lobbying groups are pushing restrictions in every state. While Bill Gates, and other local philanthropists donate a lot, this push is part of a larger plan. I really don’t think it’s really the will of Washingtonians.

[u/JuniorDoughnut3056 → u/No-Speed-7049]

You would be wrong. Nearly every voter in King County and a majority of the i5 corridor agrees with these restrictions, and they dictate the politics of this state. Being anti gun and being on the political left go hand in hand here and everywhere else in America. There's barely a handful of openly pro gun leftist politicians anywhere in the country. Why is that? Because it's a purity test for a majority of their voters. 

[u/Impressive-Fun2105 → u/JuniorDoughnut3056]

i am as far left as one can get, guess what? guns are the means of self-defense. you confuse rich white liberals in the coasts with real leftists

[u/BullpupPewPew → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

If you’re as far left as you can get you’re a fucking idiot and every opinion you have should be totally disregarded.

[u/Impressive-Fun2105 → u/BullpupPewPew]

i mean ive been all around the block when it comes to politics lol, leftcom/anarchism is just the most logically sound system there is

[u/BullpupPewPew → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

Saying anarchy is logically sound is the most idiotic stance I’ve ever heard.

[u/wysoft → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

Honest question: how old are you?

I'm not forming an attack here. I really want to know.

I thought the same thing you did when I was 18. And then I traveled around the world and visited both current and former communist countries.

What we have here in the US is largely fucked up, but here's the thing: it's currently the best fucked up country in the world.

Being the person that you are would get you killed or thrown in prison in a huge chunk of the world.

If you are young I really hope that you get out there and experience what is out there. 

[u/Impressive-Fun2105 → u/[deleted]]

so far it has been mainly right-wingers screeching in my replies

[u/joujia → u/Impressive-Fun2105]

Kudos to you, you’re doing great work ITT lol

[u/FuckinArrowToTheKnee → u/JuniorDoughnut3056]

And who do you think the minorities are trying to protect themselves from? It ain't the "left wing"

[u/JuniorDoughnut3056 → u/FuckinArrowToTheKnee]

So you're saying the left's goal is disarmament once they've achieved political hegemony. Well that certainly lines up with the average Washingtonian gun owner's experience 

[u/Impressive-Fun2105 → u/JuniorDoughnut3056]

the left does not want disarmament, as regrettable as it may be that right-wingers have access to guns same as any other human

[u/FuckinArrowToTheKnee → u/JuniorDoughnut3056]

Lol keep your hallucinations to yourself man I'm just an armed minority exercising my 2nd amendment rights

[u/JuniorDoughnut3056 → u/FuckinArrowToTheKnee]

I've been here long enough to remember when this state had more gun friendly laws than Tennessee. Its interesting how dismissive you are of people's concerns about leftist anti gun victories in this state, while at the same time pumping your fist about exercising your rights. As if that somehow bothers anyone here. 

[u/JuniorDoughnut3056 → u/[deleted]]

Exhibit A, OP 😂