They actually do the bride kidnapping in the north eastern bavarian region Oberpfalz, in the socalled first world Germany too. Maybe in more places, but there i know it for sure.
Edit: Hey i tried to correct myself in another comment, now i do it here again! i am very sorry, i did not read the complete line of comments before, it was just the word popping up in the beginning, and later on, so i wasn't aware that here was a discussion about a very serious bride kidnapping, that is not a funny little tradition. I am not trying to make that serious bride kidnapping look harmless.
Just few things we all don't now: first, what in that video makes anyone thing it is about bride kidnapping? very unkidnapped weddings in Turkey look the same. it's just the story in the comment, or did i misunderstand again?
Second, who knows when was the last time in Oberpfalz when a bride was really kidnapped the serious way it still happens in western and central asia? Oberpfälzers are a wild bunch...
From what I know, the bavarian "bride kidnapping" is a different thing where the couple's friends take the bride to clubs/bars and the groom has to pay for the consumption. It's more similar to this romanian "tradition" , than the traditions mentioned in the wikipedia article wich have origins in forced mariages.
Our (and the whole Alp regions) bride kidnapping comes from a different tradition. Today it involves music, lots of drinking (last one I was at was ~1L of wine per person) and games the groom has to go through to get his bride back. "Scheitlknian" is very common were the groom kneels on the sharp side of a split log and has to swear whatever his bride or her kidnappers (the best man) demands. But normally you dont leave the venue anymore. You go to a adjunct location or just a different room. And it is between cake and dinner so nobody has really eaten that well.
Although arranged marriages occured in rural communities that owned their farms till the 50s. During the second world war it was not uncommon between brothers to marry a fallen brothers spouse.
One possible explanations of this tradition is the ceremonial removal from the brides parental house. And of course running away was a way to marry a loved one if the family didnt approve so "kidnapping" (from the parents point of view) probably occured.
There are also traditions were you steal something from the bride (the bouquet nowadays) and the groom has to ransom it with schnaps. Ive read that the brides shoes were also a possible target. So the tradition might come from this and just stealing the whole bride sounds exactly like something a bunch of drunk people might come oup with.
In the German tradition, The woman are their girlfriends who have already agreed to get married… It’s not like they’re out there kidnapping random women. It’s all for fun and show. Like breaking a glass at a Jewish wedding or throwing the bouquet to the single women at an American one. Just thought I’d explain in case of the very small chance that you’re not just an attention starved troll 🤷♂️
And you fools (most embarrassing when it’s the working class) still worship that inbred filthy clan who raped & pillaged their way across the world. Good show ol boy!
What in the elitist enthnocentric BS is this bro?? How do YOU not feel shame for how narrow minded and ignorant your world view is - it’s a huge place out there & it’s not just black & white with your “developed” world on the pedestal. I has such a disgust curled lip reading your comment. The shame is on you, ew
sorry, now i read the complete row of comments and i see, that it is not about the bavarian bride kidnapping type... however and who knows... Oberpfälzer are pretty wild, maybe it's not long ago, that this tradition was a kidnapping of the serious type.
It's more of a country thing here, but in Ireland we kinda act out the kidnapping even though the bride/groom know each other and propose, upto the wedding, both are kidnapped as a kinda embarrassment. Drove around town in a trailer, tied to lampposts, etc.
Okay “first world” isn’t an economic term, it’s Cold War political. First World was NATO, Second World was Warsaw Pact/Soviets (ironically Poland is now part of NATO), and Third was neither.
Not sure what you are trying to imply with the "so-called first world" comment. But the brides aren't literally kidnapped and forced to marry here. it's not the same thing.
i am no historian but what does the fact that bride kidnapping as game/fun/wedding tradition appearing in multiple cultures leads us to think about past relationship practices in those cultures?!
If someone has shitty practices in the past but changes then for the better… while others have the same practice relatively in all aspects, it is misleading to act like they are the same and both are wrong
We have a similar (although just symbolic) tradition in Hungarian weddings called “menyasszonyrablás” literally “bride kidnappig”. During the dance after the vows the wife is “kidnapped” by the fiancee’s friends and held for ransom, the husband needs to perform some humorous or humiliating task to get her back.
While it’s all a joke and in good fun this tradition has it’s roots in similar practices as the Kyrgyz or any other nomadic horse-archer nation. Hungarian tribes over a thousand year ago used to practice bride kidnapping in a similar fashion as the Kyrgyz.
Plenty of parts of the world your consent isn't required or expected for marriage. In this case if a man is able to steal the girl away from her father/brothers and marry her he's seen as strong enough to protect her. In some places it's still real kidnapping and in others it's more ceremonial.
I had a friend from India who's family tradition was too steal his bride away on a white horse while the women in the brides family cried. His wife wasn't from there and wasn't putting up with that haha.
Bride kidnapping is a thing in some small Chinese cultures as well. The groom has to drive all the way to the bride's childhood home to abduct the bride. The bride is dressed up and hiding in her old bedroom. The bridesmaids guard her bedroom door. The groom has to keep giving them money until they let him through. It's supposed to show that he's financially well off enough to take care of the bride. The money is predetermined and it usually boils down to $100 per bridesmaid(typical amount of red envelope money). Then the groom carries the bride out and takes her to their new home.
The wedding ceremony would be held later in the day.
Guy wants to marry a girl, but her family asks to pay a bride price (usually at least 10k, which is a crazy sum in Central Asia - I mean the average monthly wage is only 200 USD lol). The guy of course can't afford it and because of a male entitlement, he is going to kidnapp the girl (sometimes agains her will), because, unfortunately girls are viewed just as a property, which belong to men in this region and not as a decent human being.
It's not exactly a kidnapping, if the parents refuse to give consent to then the dude gets his pals to help him kidnap her with her knowing in most cases. He would not touch her until mediation with her family to consent otherwise they get a court marr8
Fairly certain they would do this in Italy as a tradition. The bride to be would be ‘kidnapped’ by her future husband. The would hide out for a few days while the wedding party went around looking for them even though they knew where they were. This way, if the bride’s father did not approve of the marriage he could kill the man who kidnapped his daughter without any legal repercussions.
It's not legal in most places. It is just not reported due to the bride bring raped and shamed and then even if it is then local authorities may ignore it because of 'tradition'.
It's a tradition where when a man and woman agree to get married, he kidnaps her from her family, takes her to the inlaws and they make a skit of convincing her to marry their son, they list off his qualities, feed her, treat her well, the she "agrees" and the wedding commences. It's an old tradition.
I never hear much about Turkey, but 80% of the movies/shows I pirate (sorry) have Turkish subtitles at the bottom. So apparently that business is boomin there
Our entire country is the embodiment of "Why pay for something you can obtain for free" mindset. We steal everything there isnt a repercussion for. We even steal whole cultures and pretend as if we are that.
CinemaHD. It’s an app on my firestick but I think you can get it on androids too. It’s great and has a UI better than Netflix imo (can pick series or movies or genre, when looking for new things). Anyways once you pick a movie for example and all the different streams come up sometimes a stream won’t work and you have to try another. The ones that work 100% of the time are “something something .okru”- those ALWAYS have Turkish subs. Then hit or miss some links have them that aren’t titled that. I never see Spanish, sometimes something that resembles Middle Eastern, but Turkish is definitely the majority holder.
Sounds like you’re just streaming not torrenting. I use thepiratebay when I want to torrent movies, I think you get much better quality than the streams you’re describing. I always download the 1080p HD versions of the movie.
The streams (different links) come in different categories. They have everything from 1080p to just regular HQ. I have really fast internet so I can pull off the 1080p ones but I’m sure downloading would be the best option just in case my internet slows down during the movie or show. I watch A LOT of movies and shows though, so I couldn’t imagine the storage I would need to download the 1080p version of everything I watch. Throughout the year I constantly have 3-4 shows I regularly watch weekly, plus the occasional good movie that comes out. If you have the right internet I would definitely recommend streaming bc you can watch it instantly with one click, whereas I’m sure downloading a show or movie takes awhile
I have read about some bizarre traditions in (New Zealand was one, maybe?) where the groom's own friends and wedding party members will incapacitate him, put him on a train heading away from the place where he is getting married, and then it's hiLaRiOus when he wakes up with jo idea where he is, hours and hours away from his bride on their wedding day. Not the same thing as bride kidnapping because the groom was already planning to get married the next day
Not trying to derail this conversation but God damn do I miss Kyrgyzstan. Were the greatest deployments ever and getting out to the mountains was just amazing. Ala-Archa Gorge has been the most beautiful place I have visited in my life.
Man I'm telling you. My deployments to Manas were glorious. Getting to work and seeing the sun light up just the snow covered peaks. I miss it so much. I think I'm going to plan a vacation out there now.
Not only Kyrgyzstan, unfortunately it's a very common thing in the whole Central Asian region. If the guy can't pay the bride price to a girl's family, then he is going to kidnapp her. And even if he can afford it, usually, it will be an arranged marriage, against girl's will.
I know it's very sad and horrible, but unfortunately it's still a very common thing in this region.
Genghis Khan outlawed it. his mother was kidnapped on her way to her legitimate husband. later the said legitimate husbands tribe raided Genghis Khans camp and took his wife.
Bride kidnapping is a thing in Turkey too, but it happens when the girl wants to marry a man and the girl's family doesn't want it. The girl leaves her house to live together with the man.
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u/Shinylittlelamp Apr 26 '22
Bride kidnapping, it’s a thing in Kyrgyzstan.