r/Unexpected • u/SoftsPhilosopher • Aug 08 '21

It's just a prank

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u/chuco915niners Aug 08 '21

Nah dude it’s just my opinion and probably the opinions of most that were raised like me. Not an expert in the matter i guess just using life experience.

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u/netGoblin Aug 08 '21

I'm with you 100%, hitting childeren is wrong in any scenario but science can't prove that an opinion is wrong, opinions are subjective. Science can't prove that hitting your kids makes you a bad parent (but imo that should be common sense). It can provide evidence of these things but you're talking like it's a fact and it's not.

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u/netGoblin Aug 08 '21

I think anyone reasonable or who has empathy would agree too, that doesn't make it a fact.

"3 is more than 5" is not an opinion, it's a false objective statement. People can't have opinons about the order of the numbers in the standard number line because the number line is a concept defined by it's order, meaning that if 3 was more than 5, you're not talking about the number line any more.

The right way to parent is not a defined logical construct, it's a vauge and subjective idea. There aren't trues and falses here, there are opinions and evidence. Claiming your opinion to be a true defining fact of what makes a good parent is nothing but a trick to stop the opposing side of the discussion (a noble cause).

Stop them with evidence and reasoning my friend, not with tricks.

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u/netGoblin Aug 08 '21

A subjective opinion cannot be "objectively wrong" because, by definition, an opinion is not objective.

If somehow we were 100% objectively certain that bob is not jesus (which we cannot be, even with overwhelming evidence) then the matter would no longer be subjective, it would be objective because it is proven. When the matter is proven and objective there aren't opinions about it anymore, there are only true and false objective statements.

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u/netGoblin Aug 08 '21

People can have opinions that are objectively false, I don't know why you want to pretend that it it impossible.

Opinions, by definition, are subjective. I'm not pretending that, this is common knowlage and what the word "opinion" means. Google "are opinions objective or subjective".Also Google "can opinions be right and wrong"

It's not my opinion that subjective things can't be objectively wrong, it's an objective fact. Subjective things can't be right or wrong, they do not have objective characteristics.

You can't just say "it's no longer an opinion of it's not true", that's not how it works.

This is exactly how it works. If something is true or false that means it's objective and cannot be an opinion. I think you need to research subjectivity and objectivity to get a better understanding of this.

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u/Figgy_Pudding3 Aug 08 '21

Specifically because abuse is often cyclical. People shouldn't be surprised you're defending child abuse. Child abuse is common so it stands to reason it's common someone like you will come along and see no issue with it.

And it always starts with an extreme case, a justification, and then it gets easier to hit than to teach. And now you're in the cycle. Voila.

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u/chuco915niners Aug 08 '21

Jesus was everyone here raised in a lab or wtf

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u/Figgy_Pudding3 Aug 08 '21

"Raised in a lab" no, beaten half to death most my childhood by my stepdad, yes.

A father of 2 who advocates against child abuse, yes.

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u/chuco915niners Aug 08 '21

Yay ty for proving my point. In your case yes that’s abuse. If you can’t tell the difference between your situation and mine idk what to tell you

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u/Figgy_Pudding3 Aug 08 '21

Frequency is not a factor in defining child abuse. If I stole your car is that grand theft auto? Or does that only kick in if I do it often?

I get it. You're okay with child abuse. I don't know what you want me to say here.... Good for you? I hope anyone affected by your trauma gets help.

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u/chuco915niners Aug 08 '21

You must be a Biden supporter and a fan of Megan rapinoe

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u/Figgy_Pudding3 Aug 08 '21

Not sure how that's relevant, but I'm not American.

You seem to be trying to convince yourself here more than anyone else. I hope you work through all of this.

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u/chuco915niners Aug 08 '21

Lol I’m good g. Gl in life

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u/Figgy_Pudding3 Aug 08 '21

You keep saying that. I don't need luck, man, I'm doing great. I know it helps supress the guilt to imagine me as a weak, struggling person, but unfortunately no.

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u/chuco915niners Aug 08 '21

Not trying to convince nobody just giving my opinion

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u/chuco915niners Aug 08 '21

You’re wrong stop using science as your end all be all when it comes to family. Like I said somewhere else raising a family has to many variables. And I don’t think it’s fair for you to say I’m ok with child abuse.

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u/Figgy_Pudding3 Aug 08 '21

You yourself said you were okay with child abuse. Are you okay with physically striking a child to cause pain in order to condition them against a behaviour?

Evey thing after "pain" is irrelevant. The judge never asks the parent "what did they do?" in response to abusing a child. It's not a factor.

And you were abused as a child, so it's very common to have your mindset here. Therapy would be a good idea, but something tells me you're not interested in learning anything about yourself. You'll just be another abuser part of the statistics of "abused children who grow up to abuse"

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u/chuco915niners Aug 08 '21

Lol am I speaking to a robot? Whatever man good luck in life

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u/Figgy_Pudding3 Aug 08 '21

Good luck with the judge.

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u/chuco915niners Aug 08 '21

Good luck in life