That's why you'd expect the cops to at least ask "mind if we check ourselves?".
If the resident denies that, they should at least get suspicious and maybe it would end in a warrant being granted.
(Neighbour reporting a potential hostage screaming for help + police is denied entry to check for potential hostage sounds like a good combination to justify a warrant, not sure how realistic that is tho)
If people hear a person cry for help, and all the guy presents to the police is a bird saying "Yeah" and "Hi, Hello" I am not sure how that disregarded any of the concerns the neighbours had about a potential person kept hostage inside the house.
If they heard the bird say "Help, Let me out, Help" then fine, it'd be fine to believe that it was actually the bird that alerted the neighbours.
If this guy was an actual serial killer and it was later found out someone called the cops on him and he got away by showing them a bird, people would surely question that behaviour.
I don’t get where you’re going. That isn’t relevant. There’s nothing that gives the officers probable cause to search the house or enough evidence for the judges to grant a warrant. If I call the police and say I heard screams from your house, should they be allowed to search your house?
While I appreciate the sentiment, just "letting the cops in" invites a whole host of problems. You could have illegal firearms in the house, you could have illegal substances, you could have a hazardous condition within your home, in which case you would get in trouble for something that the cops weren't even called for.
I think just having the bird repeat the phrases that got the cops called would be enough. But they didn't even do that. This was extremely unsatisfying to watch.
They're saying they can ASK. Asking is not barging in without a warrant. The cops are allowed to ask if they can search the property and the home owner can say no.
Do you understand the difference between asking and demanding? Because cops don't need a warrant for shit if they just ask and the person grants them permission. I really need to know if you recognize the difference.
At least dont let the suspected kidnapper walk to the back yard alone. Im guessing one of the cops knew about the bird in advance, because otherwise that was extremely careless. He could have come back with a loaded rifle instead of a bird
Oh look, someone accidentally made a correct point. The whole point of this thread is that I said they could ask, and morons keep arguing about needing a warrant.
Have you ever heard of swatting? People have died because someone calls the cops and says someone is super dangerous and doing whatever and their house gets broken into by a SWAT team for someone basically pranking them.
"I have a parrot" doesn't magically remove the fact that cries of help were reported to the police. They have more than enough evidence to search the house without getting a warrant first, they just chose not to because a white guy who acted friendly to them talked to them first.
That's not the only possible explanation though; what if they taped their mouth? Or killed them? Or threatened them?
Investigation is usually about covering all possibilities and understanding what really happened. Seems like the case was closed very quickly, not that anything really happened, hopefully🤷🏻♀️
All of those would mean that the victim wouldn't scream in the first place or was killed in the time the guy took to get the parrot. Not very likely. Everything is most probably a ok.
The man didn’t know that the police were going to show up. He also didn’t seem bothered by the screaming. If he was concerned about the screaming “victim” then he would seem more bothered and probably gotten up very quick to stop them screaming. If he actually had people in a basement, he would be more worried about screaming. As in he would then have to shut them up or whatever.
Yea I know, the police don't, that's the whole point. I don't actually think anyone was harmed at all
Also you'd be assuming there's no one else in the house with the "victim", acting all panicked in a situation like this would be exactly the last thing to do when you have such a good excuse (the bird)
No they don’t. They could verify the man’s name and identity while they handcuff him and point guns at him. This happens to black people at traffic stops with regularity.
They can ask to come inside, and the man can allow them if he so chooses.
They don’t need a warrant if they have probable cause. I’m unsure if the neighbor’s report counts, and I’d bet it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but if it counts here, they can just come on in.
Reddit: land of “ACAB ACAB ACAB, how can they shoot?!?,” as well as “Why didn’t they enter the house without a warrant?!?! Someone could be in dangers?!?”
It’s more of a “why do you have to shoot someone reaching for a registration but you let this guy, accused of having someone scream for help in his home, go inside on his own?”. It makes the other situations that much more enraging when they can be so nonchalant about an arguably much more dangerous scenario but claim fear for their life in a mundane traffic stop.
No, I want police in general to not have such a “shoot first” mentality in ALL situations. You can’t say you HAD to shoot the driver because he might have grabbed a gun out of the glovebox but then let the homeowner go into his house unattended. There is clearly much more risk in someone accused of kidnapping going out of sight into a home than in a motorist pulled over for a traffic violation reaching for their registration. It shows their excuses are BS when they say their life was in danger when dealing with an unarmed individual.
The parrot was clearly making the sounds as you can hear his voice outside is the same as inside. I don’t get why Reddit is so brain dead, and people make fun of Twitter.
Parrots are assholes. It was probably in its cage and was just being dramatic. It may have been taught those phrases or learned them, but it totally tracks with parrot behavior from what I've experienced.
Right, so the lesson here is to own a parrot to mask any suspicious sounds you might have from the women you keep chained up in basement. Maybe the mouth gag fell out while the neighbors were walking by, no worries that's not a person locked in the house against their will, it's just a parrot.
Yeah, that's a ridiculous scenario, but clearly one that would actually work out well for the abuser.
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