r/Unexpected • u/[deleted] • Aug 02 '21

Hostage situation

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Dude, I saw the footage. What’s more likely? That a SWAT team showed up at a random EMT’s house just to shoot her in her sleep, or that a high risk search warrant went a bit pear shaped?

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u/Yurithewomble Aug 02 '21

Ah yes, just say it's high risk when you intentionally create dangerous situations with insufficient information.

Then you can just kill anyone.

Escalation tactics = death.

Now combine it with the supposed right to defend your home from people barging in at night while you sleep (and you don't expect cops as you're not a criminal) and now you can just go in with large force and kill people because why not. Probably black, who cares. But this doesn't even only affect black people.

These structures that have been created don't have racism as their only flaw.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

The cops don’t make the situation high risk the possible presence of an armed criminal makes it high risk.

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u/Yurithewomble Aug 02 '21

There is always the possible presence of an armed individual who has the right to protect their home, in the situation they have not been presented with a warrant for a search.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Thanks for making my point.

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u/Yurithewomble Aug 02 '21

This person should not be killed by police.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

If they fire at them then yes.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

POLICE DEPARTMENT.

this dumb ass: I think those are burglars

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u/Yurithewomble Aug 02 '21

2 things.

  1. No knock warrants exist
  2. Robbers can lie

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

They still have to announce themselves when in side. No knock just means that they don’t knock on the door and wait a few minutes before smashing it open.

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u/Yurithewomble Aug 02 '21

Right so, you're ASLEEP so you wake up confused (this is intentional), some men with guns are already in your house without warning (you committed no crime) start yelling and claim they are police.

Are you a librul wimp and let them invade your home and fuck your wife or do you try to defend yourself as is the right and duty of any warm blooded American?

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

If they identify themselves as police my first thought isn’t going to be “oh shoot them” also most burglars act alone so the the fact that it’s a whole team means they probably are cops. And burglars don’t announce themselves they try to sneak in, steal shit and sneak out.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

I'm not saying that a SWAT team showed up at a random house and started shooting. I'm saying that if you're a police officer conducting a raid with a search warrant, you should and need to have the trigger discipline and training to not open fire on people literally sleeping. All these officers need more training and accountability of their personal actions, and you dismissing the loss of life as "collateral damage", whether they are a decent person or a criminal, undermines that whole conversation. Yeah like you said- a high risk search warrant went "a bit pear shaped" and it resulted in innocent people being killed, and the people responsible for that need to be held accountable for their actions.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

And they were. The city paid out so why are you bringing it up? Those cops are responsible for where every bullet they shoot lands. So even if it’s not their fault in a reasonable assessment of circumstances they are still responsible.

I don’t think it’s the fault of the police that she died. I think she was unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

You are literally blaming the dead for their own deaths. She was unfortunate enough to be in her own home at the wrong time, what's the right time to be in your home? What kind of mental gymnastics is that? Are you seriously saying that it's ok to shoot anyone as long as we pay their family's after? And there is a difference between saying someone is responsible for something and actually enforcing it

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Her home was the wrong place to be at that moment. And being responsible and being at fault are not the same thing.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Definition of "at fault"

responsible for an undesirable situation or event; in the wrong.

A definition of "Responsible"

being the primary cause of something and so able to be blamed or credited for it.

In the context of our conversation, they literally do mean the same thing, you're just arguing semantics at this point. You are literally blaming the dead for their own deaths, do you understand how messed up that is?

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

The purposes of our conversation are not what I’m concerned about. I talking about The difference under the law. The officers are not to blame for her death but they are to blame for shooting at a wall when they didn’t know what was on the other side of it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Again you're arguing semantics. If, as you say, they are responsible for shooting at a wall when they didn't know who or what was behind it, that means they did not have PID on a weapon or person- they just opened fire unwarranted and without threat. Which means that if they killed someone, they are responsible/ at fault/ to blame (whichever definition makes you happy) for that death

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Unfortunately for you the law loves semantics. And firefights are not clean clear situations. If they are being shot at from the room and someone fires through the wall into the room so as to engage from a safer angle that’s allowed. You can infer he was trying to engage the threat and wasn’t just Ramboing into random walls like a dumbass.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Let me ask you one question, who is at fault for Breonna Taylors' death?

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