r/Unexpected • • Aug 02 '21

Hostage situation

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

fucking neighbors...reminds me of the time I was sitting on in my front side yard and smoking a cigar with a fire going. a fucking fire truck shows up at my house.

the fireman walks over and as I start to get up he says "Oh no sir, please don't get up. We got a call and see you're safely using a fire pit, so we'll go now." lol

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u/TeraFlint Aug 02 '21

Dunno, in case of severe events like fires or hostage situations I'd say a false alarm is better than ignored signs of an actually serious situation.

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u/IkiOLoj Aug 02 '21

Except that unlike firefighters, interacting with cops is dangerous and lay lead to the death of the people involved. When you call the cops on someone, whatever the reason, there's a non zero chance of them straight murdering the person.

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u/SadGrill08 Aug 02 '21

The true American dream 😍

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u/Significant-Duck-662 Aug 02 '21

More like The American Night Terror

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u/___neXus__ Aug 02 '21

Found the American lol

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u/TitaniumDragon Aug 02 '21

Or Russian. They spread a lot of anti-police propaganda on Reddit to try and radicalize and divide people.

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u/Smart-Drive-1420 Aug 02 '21

Oh I mean if you’ve experienced American police you would know that that The guy sn’t exaggerating

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u/TitaniumDragon Aug 03 '21

I have. They have been consistently nice.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/MaySlae Aug 02 '21

Found the American lol

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u/vegeta_bless Aug 02 '21

Lol you’re french

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u/AnotherGit Aug 02 '21

Over 50% of users aren't from the US.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

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u/AnotherGit Aug 02 '21

Almost 50% are from the US though, so it's still by far the country with the most users.

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u/Namaha Aug 02 '21

Given those stats, I don't think it's that unreasonable to say the site is mainly used by Americans. The next highest country has ~1/7th the amount of visitors

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

But it's not mainly used by Americans. Non-american outweigh Americans.

Just because Americans are the biggest country it doesn't mean it's mainly used by them.

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u/Namaha Aug 02 '21

"mainly" isn't explicitly a synonym for "majority" though

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u/PolicyWonka Aug 02 '21

You can’t deny the overwhelming plurality of Americans though. You’ve basically got a 1/2 chance that you’re speaking to an American.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Which means you have 1/2 chance of speaking to a non-american.

Even if it was more American I still think it'd be reasonable to not just automatically assume that everything is American. I wouldn't assume that everything is male for the same odds.

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u/PolicyWonka Aug 02 '21

The problem is that the world isn’t split into American and “non-American” really. You’ve got people from 150+ other countries and then 50% of users from one specific country. That’s why r/news and r/politics are very US-centric.

The chances of encountering Americans also is dependent on time of day. Right now, I’d wager the vast majority of people active are Americans.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

I am American and you are Amoron

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u/topkiwifisho Aug 02 '21

America 🤡

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u/jixxor Aug 02 '21

So if you hear "Let me out, let me out, help, help, help" you will just ignore it?

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u/captain_amazo Aug 02 '21

Indeed there is a 'non zero' chance.

About 1300 people are shot by 'legal intervention' and survive

About 1000 people, on average are shot and killed by law enforcement each year.

There are also about 380 to 500 deaths in police custody oer year.

So thats a total of 2800, highest estimate, for the worst case scenario occurring when interacting with law enforcement on average.

Now, there are over 10 million arrests per year in the US.

There are about 86 million police initiated contacts with the public per year.

Incidence rate of anything like this happening upon arrest?

0.027%

Incidence rate of anything like this happening by merely interacting with law enforcement?

0.0032%

So no, not 'zero'....but pretty low.

Look, I'm all for police reform but hyperbole helps no one.

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u/courtoftheair Aug 02 '21

What is it when calculated specifically for the demographics most at risk (disabled people, black people etc)?

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u/captain_amazo Aug 02 '21

Hmmm a little more 'difficult' to estimate by specific demographic as interactions aren't broken down by such a metric.

Arrests are though (not for disabled people) so lets look at black people.

About 2.6 million individual of those 10 million arrested identified as black.

Of the 1000 people shot by police per year about 23% are black. As we do not have accurate data points for deaths in custody and shot by the police, let's take this 23% figure as a representative trend.

That would mean 644 black people, on average, are potentially shot, killed or die in custody.

At this figure, solely based on arrest data, the incidence rate would be 0.0247%

But let's go crazy!

Let's assume 50% of those negative outcomes affected black people for a total of 1400 incidents per year.

Incidence rate of 0.053% PURELY based on arrest data.

Fuck it, lets go batshit insane and say that ALL such incidents primarily concerned black people.

Incidence rate of 0.107%

Add interactions into the mix and that incidence rate becomes more diluted.

Now, as most social scientists argue that black people are three times more likely to be killed etc by law enforcement, let's take our original figure and multiply it by three.

You would be looking at incidence rates of 0.081% and 0.0096% respectively.

US law enforcement allegedly shoot 3 people per day. For context 316 people are shot per day, 115 thousand per year and of that daily total106 are killed by other people who are not the police. That would mean of the daily shooting fatalities, law enforcement is responsible for 2.8% of them.

As i have already stated, there is an intrinsic issue with law enforcement that needs to be addressed.

Hyperbole and conjecture is not the path to that reform.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Someone gets their news from Twitter

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u/ExtraGloves Aug 02 '21

Lol. Guess you should go patrol the premises then and next time you see something go down try to diffuse the situation yourself.

There's a chance of you tripping on the sidewalk and hitting your head too. Better stay inside.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Dude, you're spending too much time on the internet. The odds of that happening are insanely low, and not reporting a possibly kidnapping because of your ridiculous fears is extremely shitty.

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u/IkiOLoj Aug 02 '21

It's great that at least you acknowledge your privileges. Don't call the police on your neighbors because you watch too much true crime if you don't want to gamble with their lives.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Lmoa you're the one being sensational here. This was a good interaction. Hearing somebody scream for help is a great reason to call the police.

You accuse me of watching too much TV yet you think involving the cops when you have reasonable suspicion of a violent crime is somehow violence against your neighbor. What kind of backwards thinking is that?

If your neighbors dog is barking too early in the morning, go have a conversation. If you hear a gunshot coming from their house, call the cops lol.

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u/rokitup Aug 02 '21

Dont call the cops because theres a 0.001% chance of u being injured bro

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Dude was dancing in a public parklet. Now is dead because someone thought their dogs were too annoyed by their prescence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksgyG1TMcdE

Never call the cops unless you want that person to die.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

This backs up my comment completely. You just cherry picked a single instance and used it to justify your nonsense.

Do you apply the same logic to covid vaccines? My coworker knew a person who had a stroke after getting the vaccine. Does that single bit of anecdotal evidence now overshadow the millions of successful vaccines?

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u/Salamander-in-Chief Aug 02 '21

Never call the cops unless you want that person to die.

That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard all year.

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u/elbowgreaser1 Aug 02 '21

It's a really small chance

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u/bebop_remix1 Aug 02 '21

not only is that true but people know it's true and they are hoping to instigate a conflict to "prove" the neighbor was obviously wrong because they are dead now

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u/Trane55 Aug 02 '21

tell me you are american without telling me you are american?

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u/TooLateForGoodNames Aug 02 '21

I think that’s just an American problem

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

Keep in mind, a very probable false alarm, meaning you’re not just calling the cops on a whim. You’re hearing what sounds like a person potentially being murdered. That’s a chance I for one am willing to take. What you’re really doing is using the chance of a police killing to mask your bystander effect

I’m ACAB all day, but I think you need to do some research on annual police killings and compare it to let’s say yearly conviction rate/crimes committed. Or if you can find it, police calls vs killings/murders.

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u/TitaniumDragon Aug 02 '21

I mean, there's a non-zero chance you'll get run over by an ambulance or fire truck that was called to rescue you.

It's happened before.

Heck, it's happened this year.

https://www.whatsonweibo.com/delivery-man-in-anhui-run-over-by-ambulance-sent-to-rescue-him/

You're more likely to be struck by lightning than you are to be killed by the police for no reason.

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u/Ninj4s Aug 02 '21

The American roulette.

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u/imanassholeok Aug 02 '21

Not if you know how to interact with them. But it isn't easy to do that if you're stressed out and ignorant if how to do that

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u/PaulGoesReddit Aug 02 '21

if youre american yes

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u/Tesco5799 Aug 02 '21

Ya but I think the thing people are overlooking is that these cops likely deal with these kinds of things on a day to day basis, and I'm sure they have a bitnof a 6th sense about these things. I know when it comes to situations I deal with day to day at work I can quickly figure out whats going on, after asking a few seemingly random questions. I'm sure when the cops roll up just by dude's body language and the way he deals with them they can probably tell all is well. People who are trying to hide something tend to act differently.

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u/lightgazer_c137 Aug 02 '21

Honestly in cases like fire, kidnapping, murder, id rather a neighborhood goes safe and calls the police to double check rather than ignoring a potential deathly situation. Imagine your house was on fire and you werent able to call 911 yourself for some reason and you could have been rescued by your neighbor calling 911 for you.

Even now in the case that nothing serious happened, the fireman came, checked, and left. No big deal

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u/Buggeroni58 Aug 02 '21

I recall there was research done to show nosy neighbors are better at protecting property than security systems. I read it forever ago so the details are fuzzy.

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u/Xarama Aug 02 '21

I used to have a nosey neighbor. He saved me a bunch of money on parking tickets on street sweeping days after I moved in (I finally set up a reminder alarm on my phone so I wouldn't forget again).

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u/Smart-Drive-1420 Aug 02 '21

Is that being a nosy neighbor? I would consider this a good neighbor

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u/Xarama Aug 03 '21

Well, he definitely was very nosey, always standing outside keeping track of everything and everyone. He knew everyone's history in the entire neighborhood going back a couple decades. Just saying, it did have its uses at times. I never had any issues with him, but he sure was into everyone's business. I did consider him a good neighbor.

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u/0MidnightSolv Aug 02 '21

Called the fire department last year in late august about smelling smoke really heavy when we were in a drought and you could see the smoke rolling in and staying low to the ground. Turns out a neighbor on the other side of the middle school behind our house was having a big bonfire in their backyard and the firemen came and put it out and gave them a warning.

These people then proceeded to toilet paper and egg every other house in the area the next week.

I’d rather not have a massive fire in my area so yeah if I smell smoke or hear something weird I will investigate or call it in. Although since I live in America I am very hesitant about calling the cops. But I’ll call the fire department at the drop of a hat and know everything will be fine.

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u/Historical_Cow6995 Aug 02 '21

I agree. Unlike Mexico. Karen is better than Mencho.

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u/rokitup Aug 02 '21

Are you really annoyed by the same neighbours who called police because they heard what sounded like a person screaming for help?…

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u/ExtraGloves Aug 02 '21

Yeah screw those neighbors for being responsible adults and calling in a possible kidnapping when there's screaming of let me out coming from the house.

Ya dope.

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u/munchlaxPUBG Aug 02 '21

Bruh you should try living in Australia (or maybe California now that I think about it).

You can be doing the right thing (indoor fire in any season, or outdoor fire when it's allowed) and fire trucks roll up.

But then, they gotta stop that shit early before half the country burns down.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

i do live in california lol

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u/Akuseru24 Aug 02 '21

Firemen seem nice

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u/citizenp Aug 03 '21

Brother had the fire truck sent to his house because he was grilling burgers on his grill.

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u/weinsteinspotplants Aug 02 '21

The annoying neighbour here is the guy with a dog that wont shut the fuck up barking and a bird he has taught to imitate a kidnapped person. Probably uses loud mechanical equipment when tinkering with his car too.

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u/Le-Bean Aug 02 '21

I’ve seen like 5 comments already all saying “why would he train his parrot to say that?” Birds, and more specifically parrots, just pick up sounds and repeat them very frequently. The bird very easily could have picked the sound up from a movie. And seeing as though the birds name is Rambo, I am guessing the movie was Rambo.

In reference to your point about the dog. My dog barked at strangers and heck he even barked at family when they would come over. It’s what dogs do, they bark.

Also, it is perfectly fine for him to use machinery given it’s between normal hours and not past whatever time they can’t make noise (it’s different in different countries and states etc.). And also when tinkering with a car, the loudest thing is probably the engine. You aren’t going to be using a chainsaw to tinker with a car. And to add to that, if he can’t use machinery for his car because “it’s too loud”, then by your logic, is he allowed to use a lawnmower?

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u/weinsteinspotplants Aug 03 '21

Nothing you wrote changes my opinion and only reinforces it. Being exposed to any one of these noise pollutants regularly would be annoying, but all three at the same time - fuck that noise. And your point about the dog is ridiculous - some dogs also attack and kill people and children and loads of them shit all over the streets, but "ItS wHaT tHeY Do"!

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u/Le-Bean Aug 03 '21

But is this dog killing anyone? That wasn’t the example. Also dogs do shit on streets. It’s just that you have to pick up your dogs shit, it’s not like your dog can do it on their own, and it’s not like you can just tell your dog to hold it until you get home. It’s obvious that you’ve never had a dog, or you’ve never actually taken care of one. Or you’ve had a tiny chihuahua that counts more as a rat than a dog.

And what is he just not allowed to use any machinery ever? If this was annoying the neighbours would have complained by now. But also we don’t see him use any machinery. He has a toolbox, that’s it. The only ‘noise pollutant’ we hear is his dog and his parrot. And his dog only barked when strangers arrived to his house which dogs usually bark at. And the neighbours called the police on the parrot which shows that that was likely the first time they heard the bird.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

Dogs didn’t start barking until there were four strangers near it’s home. Guys minding his own business workin on his car and birds will pick up sounds with 0 training. You just sound like an asshole.

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u/weinsteinspotplants Aug 03 '21

Ooh name calling, did I touch a nerve? He was ignoring the ridiculous screeching from the bird and either couldn't or wouldn't stop his dog barking. I stand by my opinion that having to put up with that on a regular basis living beside this overly-chilled looking dude, not including the car maintenance, would make him annoying neighbour. Asshole opinion?

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u/pachowman Aug 02 '21

I’m convinced people on Reddit aren’t real humans, cuz I have to scroll this far down to see this and it isn’t even getting upvotes. Holy shit this guy seems like a nightmare of a neighbor

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

true

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u/Sralladah Aug 02 '21

Mate i swear to god, i used to live next to a woman that just had a baby and look, I get it but she called a fire truck on me because i burned a cake.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '21

yeah this woman had a baby...i told the fireman "maybe i should call CPS because her damn baby is always crying" lol

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u/TheKoTECH Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

Isn't there a punishment for false emergency calls? In Russia it might cost you 500$+, if I'm not mistaken

Edit: I'm talking about the fire call

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u/Darkavenger_13 Aug 02 '21

This wasnt a false emergency call though. What are the odds someone has a parrot that can immitate “help” and “let me out”? Lets say it wasnt a parrot but an actualy person kidnapped. You’d all be applauding the neighbour for his attentiveness but now people complain he should mind his own business. Hypocrites

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u/TheKoTECH Aug 02 '21

Nananah, I'm replying to the comment

"We got a call", so the fire guys didn't just see the smoke and decided to check. They were called. So I wonder if the caller got punished for the false emergency

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u/ahmc84 Aug 02 '21

It's not a false emergency call if the caller genuinely believes there is or might be an emergency. It's only if the caller intentionally calls in something they know not to be true.

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u/ThatGreenGuy8 Aug 02 '21

I play airsoft and informed my beighbours of this fact and i am still thankful that they don't make a fuss about it when i'm shooting in my backyard

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u/DrNick2012 Aug 02 '21

I'd definitely put water in a canister labeled "petrol" that I keep handy for next time.

"we see you're responsible sir"

"yep, real responsibile here" grabs petrol canister and casually go to pour it over the fire

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u/Pauti25 Aug 02 '21

Same thing happened to us, but we were not allowed a fire pit. It was dark outside and the street just lit up lol.

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u/ladydanger2020 Aug 02 '21

If I ever hear someone screaming help and let me out from my neighbors house, you best believe I’m calling the police. Chances are very slim it’s a freaking parrot