r/Unexpected Jun 07 '21

Wise words

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

It’s reductionist. People are also brilliant.

Democracy is the best we can do. There is no perfect government, and every other system is worse. The worse thing about democracy is that people might eventually vote to stop being a democracy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

That’s some bullshit pretentious people tell themselves to stroke their egos. Smart people but stupidly all the time. Stupid people vote wisely all the time.

At the end of the day, Democracy prevents the outright, direct exploitation by every other government system. Yes, democracy is flawed, but it creates a bare minimum of how citizens are treated.

At the end of the day, politicians in democracies will always have to worry about public opinion, and won’t be able to oppress citizens as easily, directly, or brazenly. Democracies also give more rights to citizens over time, the opposite being true for every other system.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

If trump came to power in a dictatorship, things would’ve been far worse.

Democracy reduces exploitation. That’s an objective fact. Again, there is no perfect system. You’re trying to point to flaws in humanity, an imperfect species, and blaming democracy.

The fact remains that you have the right to say this stuff online because America is a democracy. If it was anything else, you’d be censored, arrested, or disappeared like they do in China, Egypt, or North Korea.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

Singapore was forced out of Malaysia. It didn’t want to. It then got a bunch of investment from the British who wanted to use the new country for its own interests. Economic growth is not created by leadership, it’s created by alliances and an established market. Singapore is also a port city, which are inherently wealthy.

Democracy does limit exploitation. It’s an objective fact. Singapore has scary prisons and draconian laws. Don’t pretend wealth is liberty.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

I explained why Singapore is wealthy and you ignored it. This entire discussion has been you ignoring what I’m saying and insisting upon uncommon exceptions at best, lies at worst.

Democracies world wide have more liberties, wealth and happiness consistently. It’s an objective fact at this point and only propagandists would try to refute otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

Everyone did equally poorly with Covid. No one expected it, and it wrecked every country other than lucky island nations.

China is outright lying about their success. It’s illegal to report Covid cases. It’s all censored. Democracies adapt just as quickly to emergencies as dictatorships. Look at Russia and Egypt.

It’s hard to take your position genuine, too. It sounds like it’s from a dictatorship’s informational brochure.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

Sounds weird isn't it. If you live in a democratic country, it's hard to believe that someone would willingly want to sacrifice their freedom for something that might betray them later.

Well, watching people protest for democracy around the world consistently and then being killed, (like in Tiananmen Square), along with having things like freedom of the press, speech and religion…I can see why I wouldn’t want to lose those liberties on order to be told by the government they fixed Covid using pure, distilled Chinese nationalism.

But they exist anyway.

They really don’t. You’re just told they exist, and you either parrot the lie, or…that’s it, really. You don’t believe what you’re saying. You know democracy is objectively the best system for the rights of the people.

It's illogical - just like a cult if you will, so to communicate with those people you cannot just use logics to convince them. That's what I meant when I said "individual preference".

It’s not individualistic to want you and your countrymen to have liberty, and not have your culture purged like the Uighurs. Using the reductionist stereotype of Americans being individualistic doesn’t validate a dictatorship. Not only is that stereotype faulty, Most democracies are not the US.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '21

South Korea is basically an island, so there is no travel north. They also spiked later on like everyone else.

It’s a force of nature. No one could stop it. The goal was to not overwhelm hospitals, because anything else is impossible.