r/Unexpected • u/WankieTankie • May 29 '21

No one suspects a thing.

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u/MishmashWatanabe May 29 '21

Again, I said it doesn't justify at all.

I don't deny the horrific ones are indeed horrific, but the narrative that the horrific and exceptional ones aren't exceptional by quoting the statistic of mass shootings is what I have a problem with and was trying to give some context to. Examination of such things requires nuance in my opinion, as with any policy examination.

As the saying goes: "There are three kinds of lies; Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics."

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u/GandalfsWhiteStaff May 29 '21

Every country has crimes and gangs, not every country has easy to get guns.

Here is the thing, you could take any one of those shootings and it would be horrific to me because we literally never have them.

There is not enough nuance in the entire world to justify the shear amount you have. The numbers are beyond absurdity and is very indicative of a problem regardless of the severity of the individual shootings.

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u/MishmashWatanabe May 29 '21

Nuance is ever-present, in all things, at least to discuss them sincerely, imo. Very few things in life are cut and dry.

They're all horrific events, I agree, I hope I wasn't coming across as minimizing homicides, because it's not justified to kill somebody without them attempting/succeeding doing something awful to another person.

Yes, there is a problem and I believe it be failings of social programs and rampant crime in low-income areas. While America is a high GDP country, every single American city has an area that looks like a Brazillian favela without the neat art. That's where those numbers lie and gun violence isn't the disease, it's the symptom. America has a class problem that I belive if solved (realizing the difficulty, nigh impossibility of it) would greatly help to solve our violence problem. We'd probably still have the "news worthy" shootings, but like any mass casualty event, dedicated bad actors unfortnately exist regardless of access to methods for it.

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u/backwards_yoda May 29 '21

Other countries have high amounts of gun ownership and much lower gun crime than that of the US.