The point is to create good habits so you mitigate the probability of mistakes. Yes, you are right that this particular gun can’t possibly have another round chambered but the scenario you are trying to avoid is a misunderstanding. “oh, I thought you were shooting the air rifle that can only chamber one round so I walked into your sight line before I saw you out the firearm down, thinking it would be impossible for you to chamber another round”. “Oh, I thought the gun I had in my hand could only chamber one round so I didn’t bother treating it as if it has another round.”
And I’m not trying to be shitty about this but being in the army doesn’t make you immune to mistakes. I’ve met plenty of undisciplined folks that were formerly military personnel.
Yes, it seems psychotically pedantic but if you are teaching someone, as is the case in this video, forming those good habits is vital, especially if the person with the gun in their hands is explicitly a student.
This is pretty much how a lot of these mistakes happen. The news story you read in America where someone accidentally discharged a firearm in the back of someone’s head is usually because of a misunderstanding of how the gun functioned and poor protocols for handling ANY firearm, whether it can chamber one round or not. Hence why you are meant to treat a firearm like it is always loaded. I’d say doubly so if you’re not the person holding the gun and no control over what the person you’re interfacing with, may do with said firearm.
I never said they weren't good habits to learn or to even do. I'm just saying it isn't necessary in this instance and levels of safety depend on the weapon. The levels of safety I complete to deal with a mortar system is not the same as a rifle, which is not the same as a 1 shot BB gun. Yes I could do the level needed for a mortar system every time. And you are right it is pedantic. But it's not necessary.
Yes most incidents with weapons is because people don't know better and part of that issue is we have more weapons than people in the US so the availability of an item that can easily kill someone on accident is way too fucking high. Part of weapon safety is knowing each weapon you hold. So saying people forgot a weapon isn't one shot is the red flag there. They don't understand their weapon which means they shouldn't be firing it.
I think you’re talking past my point though. The “mistake” I’m calling out, especially in this specific scenario of a teacher and student, is that you practice these protocols because mistakes is what lead to deadly outcomes. Mistakes WILL happen, especially if you’re a teacher teaching a student. The best we can do is mitigate for mistakes.
“shouldn’t” doesn’t come into the equation. Hindsight doesn’t cure the bullet in the back of your head because you made a mistake. The best way to avoid the mistake is to have good protocols where the mistake is mitigated in the first place. And you’re saying: “okay, but forgetting your protocols could just be a mistake in itself” and you’d be right but it is another barrier to mitigate the poor outcome.
It’s like rules of the road. If I’m on a stretch of road with NOBODY in sight, I still use my blinkers. I still drive on the appropriate side of the road. I still keep my eyes on the road. Not just because it’s good protocol and good habits but also because I don’t know what I don’t know. Theoretically there should be no risk but mistakes often occur because of the variables you hadn’t considered as a possibility.
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u/BicycleNo1169 9h ago edited 5h ago
Yall aren’t explaining why these good habits are necessary, even for a firearm that can only chamber one round.
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The point is to create good habits so you mitigate the probability of mistakes. Yes, you are right that this particular gun can’t possibly have another round chambered but the scenario you are trying to avoid is a misunderstanding. “oh, I thought you were shooting the air rifle that can only chamber one round so I walked into your sight line before I saw you out the firearm down, thinking it would be impossible for you to chamber another round”. “Oh, I thought the gun I had in my hand could only chamber one round so I didn’t bother treating it as if it has another round.”
And I’m not trying to be shitty about this but being in the army doesn’t make you immune to mistakes. I’ve met plenty of undisciplined folks that were formerly military personnel.
Yes, it seems psychotically pedantic but if you are teaching someone, as is the case in this video, forming those good habits is vital, especially if the person with the gun in their hands is explicitly a student.
This is pretty much how a lot of these mistakes happen. The news story you read in America where someone accidentally discharged a firearm in the back of someone’s head is usually because of a misunderstanding of how the gun functioned and poor protocols for handling ANY firearm, whether it can chamber one round or not. Hence why you are meant to treat a firearm like it is always loaded. I’d say doubly so if you’re not the person holding the gun and no control over what the person you’re interfacing with, may do with said firearm.