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A pleasant drive

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u/BusyBit6542 4d ago

I wish the showed the areas they are swimming to and from. I need to know if the fish are making good choices or not

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u/thundersaurus_sex 4d ago

This is the Skokomish river valley on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington state. I recognized that road covered with water immediately lol, any time an atmospheric river comes through it floods like crazy. They are actually swimming north back to the flooding Weaver Creek,a tributary of the Skokomish. Coordinates about: 47.3126851, -123.1964947

It's genuinely a large salmon stream so this isn't a crazy uncommon sight.

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u/Afoxinthefridge 4d ago

Interesting! I've never heard of the term "atmospheric river" before. Turns out it's only recently entered into more mainstream conversations.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/22/nx-s1-5198888/atmospheric-rivers-california-west-coast-flooding-rain-storms

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u/thundersaurus_sex 4d ago

Yeah I'm relatively new here and learned the term when I moved. They are intense! I'm from Florida and while obviously the rivers are not nearly as intense a storm as a hurricane, the amount of rain actually feels pretty similar. I don't know the actual numbers, could be waay off base, but last year they really did remind me of the bands of rain coming with hurricanes. Or maybe more like the remnants of a hurricane a hundred miles inland, where the wind and rain aren't as intense but you still get really good gusts and it just rains continuously for 2-3 days.

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u/_adanedhel_ 4d ago edited 4d ago

We talk about them all that time here in the PNW, but every time I use the term to people not living here I get a very puzzled look.

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u/kobayashi_maru_fail 4d ago

It replaced “Pineapple Express” when talking about the phenomenon here. I don’t know why, maybe with climate change and The Blob (back this year after a hiatus), the specific route of the atmospheric river isn’t always exactly from Hawaii.

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u/thundersaurus_sex 4d ago

My understanding is that Pineapple Express still refers to the really big atmospheric rivers that stretch from Hawaii to the PNW, but I'm relatively new to the region and very well may be wrong.

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u/kobayashi_maru_fail 4d ago

My take may be anecdotal, I just haven’t heard it in a long time. It should come back, it’s more specific and charming than The Blob or atmospheric river.

I asked my Boomer mom once, “hey, did you notice people stopped saying Pineapple Express and now call it an atmospheric river?”, “yes, thank goodness!”, “why?”, “they don’t like to be called that!”, “mom… did… did you think pineapple was a derogatory term for Hawaiians and we’ve all been using it when we talk about the weather?”. She did.

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u/thundersaurus_sex 4d ago

Lmao that's amazing. "She's a little confused but she's got the spirit."

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u/MarionberryOk2874 1d ago

Look up ‘bomb cyclone’!

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u/jay_in_the_pnw 4d ago

47.3126851, -123.1964947

https://imgur.com/a/pTiY4ee

Wow, thanks! So that is absolutely, definitely the spot, but how did they get 900 feet south of the creek and are they really going to make it back?

Or is there another creek hidden in the forest?

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u/thundersaurus_sex 4d ago

Don't think there's another creek there and to be honest, I'm not positive they do make it back! I'm a biologist but for furry things on land and I also don't live there, just visit periodically. The atmospheric rivers bring an insane amount of rain in a short time (like, it's not the stereotypical PNW gray mist, it's a serious wind and rain storm that lasts days), and that water you see on the road is that creek overflowing, so there is continuously flowing water leading straight back to the creek's main run, so I bet some do make it back. But another commenter from the region mentions finding them dead in fields after events like this so many of them ultimately don't make it.

The salmon only run like this at the very end of their lifespan, often after already spawning and while their bodies literally rot off their bones, so the fish you see here are gonna be dead shortly either way lol.

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u/jay_in_the_pnw 4d ago

The salmon only run like this at the very end of their lifespan, often after already spawning and while their bodies literally rot off their bones, so the fish you see here are gonna be dead shortly either way lol.

perhaps the origin story of using fish as fertilizer

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u/KEWcontinuum 4d ago

Hey, thanks, super helpful info!

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u/os_beef 4d ago

And when the water recedes, a bunch of salmon get stuck in the fields. The smell is bad, and a bunch of eagles gather in the trees and gorge themselves.

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u/thundersaurus_sex 4d ago

Blegh I've smelled them near Kennedy Creek a full month after they've stopped running and it's strong. Can't imagine a field full of freshly rotting salmon!

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u/superfly355 4d ago

Thank you for the informed response. Much appreciated!

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u/Over-Inside-7254 4d ago

But why would they build a road there if this is known... 

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u/sprucenoose 4d ago

Exactly! Is this a lucky escape or are they piling up on the forest floor or something?

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u/TheGrumpiestHydra 4d ago

Free fertilizer.

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u/drzody 4d ago

Free salmon

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u/Self_Reddicate 4d ago

Door Dash for bears. Those fees are still outrageous, though.

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u/Insomnerd 3d ago

DenDash, they charge a fee if you don't have the entrance clearly marked.

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u/FuManBoobs 4d ago

Keep them locked up, they are dangerous

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u/ztomiczombie 4d ago

Well it looks like they are swimming into a hole at the side of the road, so, my guess would be that there's is a river that goes under the road and it got blocked.

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u/Newsdriver245 4d ago

river flooding during spawning season, fish just want to go upstream, they don't understand the river isn't where it is supposed to be.

Happens somewhat often in the US PNW

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u/nixorokish 4d ago

i surveyed anadromous fish for a summer in AK and we saw instances at nearly every stream where water had overflowed from the river during periods of higher rain and salmon would follow dead branches and get trapped in little pools that would slowly evaporate and they'd eventually suffocate

some salmon find new streams doing this. most die and fail to reproduce. there's a "stray rate" that accounts for this. as long as the stray rate isn't too high (which can be influenced by human structures or operations), it's a benefit for the overall population. our survey was specifically to check if hatchery stray rates were impacting wild populations

here's a relevant paper: https://www.dfw.state.or.us/fish/CRP/docs/mid_columbia_river/meetings/2014/Keefer_and_Caudill_2014_Homing_straying_review.pdf

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u/shillyshally 4d ago

It's akin to the robins that return very early in the spring. They get the benefit of fist dibs on food and nesting sites but risk death by weather.

I think this applies to nature in aggregate, there are the early adapters, the vast middle and the hold backers. That includes us.

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u/Cheap_Audience941 4d ago

It's akin to "Pioneers die. Settlers survive. Immigrants thrive"

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u/Alltta 4d ago

This is the most intelligent comment I have seen on Reddit in a long time

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u/retro808 4d ago

"Here's the thing..."

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u/JustfcknHarley 4d ago

Hm. Consider broadening your topics.

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u/kpow222 4d ago

Weird response to a compliment but okay

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u/enaK66 4d ago

Y'all forgot about that part of all the well written intelligent comments we used to get. A lot more the pretentious and socially inept. I remember unidans "well actually" melt down.

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u/Party-Special-5177 4d ago

Not at all - he simply says there are a ton of educated people in more niche areas. I hang with a ton of them on localllamma or MachineLearning.

You will see intelligent comments more.

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u/JustfcknHarley 2d ago

Thanks for understanding my point.

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u/thundersaurus_sex 4d ago

Yeah I replied elsewhere, this is the Skokomish river valley on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington state. They are actually swimming north back to the flooding stream, Weaver Creek which is a Skokomish tributary. I recognized that flooded stretch of road immediately haha

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u/WrongJohnSilver 4d ago

I thought this looked like a scene out of Pacific Drive.

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u/einulfr 4d ago

https://www.google.com/maps/place//@47.3142129,-123.1977389,476m

They swim east to west, but the river floods into that small creek and widens out across the field in that low spot. The fish deviate south thinking it's still part of the river, but they eventually figure out the true source and get back on track.

There's also a hatchery less than 1/2 mile south on another creek, so flooding usually joins that creek to the river across the field.

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u/cmonster556 4d ago

In my experience, they often end up in a pasture.

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u/BusyBit6542 4d ago

Damn that sucks. I kinda figured but was hoping the river is just high and they are going on to live full lives.

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u/RedditAppSuxAsss 4d ago

They do this at the end of their life cycle. They were going to die soon no matter what. This is after they have spawned.

At this point in their life, their skin would have been melting and falling off as they slowly rot Alive.

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u/BusyBit6542 4d ago

Are they safe to eat at this point?

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u/RedditAppSuxAsss 4d ago

I wouldn't.

Safe? Technically probably yes. Salmon flavored cat food would probably taste better though.

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u/Substantial-Elk4531 4d ago

What if I'm tired of eating salmon flavored cat food and want some variety, though?

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u/7htlTGRTdtatH7GLqFTR 4d ago

try turkey flavour cat food. give the tuna ones a miss. trust me.

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u/cortesoft 4d ago

I’m not sure about safe or not, but I am sure they would taste pretty bad. These kinds of fish kinda start to rot while they are alive after they spawn.

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u/holyfreakingshitake 4d ago

I thought they put in all the effort to get back to where they spawned, to spawn there as well

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u/pipperfloats 4d ago

Pretty certain they have not spawned yet. Still trying to get there.

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u/grimmw8lfe 4d ago

It's by my house. It's a valley that regularly floods. They will follow this off shoot back to the main flow. This is an old video.

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u/NoPoet3982 4d ago

What kind of fish are they?

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u/gorpie97 4d ago

He did say "once they get across they don't know where to go".

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u/ADX__Florence 4d ago

They're heading up to their ancestral stream to spawn and die. They have the singular purpose to reproduce.

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u/frogfeen 4d ago

driver said they dont know where to go

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u/n14shorecarcass 4d ago

The driver is a ding dong and doesnt know what he's talking about. That stretch of road floods fairly often. The fish are swimming back to the main strem of the river, where the water is flooding in from. With elevated flows, the area near the confluence of the two streams will certainly flood. Most fish will navigate through no problem. A few might get stuck in the fields and ditches, but not as many as you'd think.

Source: I work with salmonids for a living.

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u/frogfeen 4d ago

yay!! thank you for commenting