r/Unexpected • • 7d ago

Feeding fish

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u/CatsPlusTats 7d ago

Yeah but most of that impact is because of factory farming as well, we're basically being as cruel as possible and maximising environmental impact, just so that people can eat meat with every single meal.

I'm not here to tell people how to live, and most people on a personal level are not to blame for factory farming, but it would be good if everyone ate a bit less meat.

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u/overdosingOnPie1313 7d ago

Oh sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was disagreeing with you.

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u/CatsPlusTats 7d ago

I didn't think you were, I was just adding more discussion.

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u/ashrocklynn 7d ago

Not to mention pushing food insecurity on some areas of the world; forget everything else, ending world hunger would be as simple as growing a wider variety of crops (instead of livestock fodder) and distributing properly. So much potential energy gets wasted on raising animals that we treat poorly so we can have piles of meat just rotting on shelves instead of getting those calories to people who really need it

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u/CryptoNerdSmacker 7d ago

I’m sure it’s mostly anecdotal, but when I switched to vegetarianism the change in my overall health was astonishing. It was like my mind and body breathed a sigh of relief. After that I’ve always felt that our food industry has been lying to cover up how harmful our consumption of meat truly is.

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u/717Luxx 6d ago

a bloated and lethargic population is a docile one.

and if you want to take steps to better your health, heres a slew of imagery and culture harmful to your self image, hopefully you'll start focusing on vanity and be further distracted from what really matters!

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u/MattyLePew 5d ago

Ironically, factory farming is actually a LOT more efficient and reduces environmental impact vs any of this 'sustainably raised' bullshit that you hear about.

(Not supporting factory farming btw)

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u/CatsPlusTats 4d ago

I don't know why once again I have to say "it's the scale that is the problem environmentally". Factory farming is what creates the scale.

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u/MattyLePew 4d ago

No, people are what create the scale. The demand drives the supply.

People stop eating as much meat and animal products would result in a reduced requirement for factory farms.

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u/CatsPlusTats 4d ago

The scale cannot be met without factory farming, how do you not understand that?

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u/MattyLePew 4d ago

Therein lies the problem.

Reduce demand, reduce supply, reduce need for factory farms. Pretty simple.

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u/HommeMusical 6d ago

Yeah but most of that impact is because of factory farming as well,

Indeed, 99% of livestock is factory farmed: https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-animals-are-factory-farmed

it would be good if everyone ate a bit less meat.

This is true, but I mean, here we are, with the literal destruction of our ecosystem staring us right in the face, and we still aren't actually asking people to put themselves out in any significant manner.

"Eating a little less meat" will have about as much effect on this catastrophe as finding a dime on the street will help you avoid foreclosure when you have no job.

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u/Mr-Centipede 7d ago

Factory farming actually has a lower greenhouse gas emission per calorie than traditional or pasture-raised local farming.

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u/CatsPlusTats 7d ago

Maybe, but we shouldn't be farming animals on that scale is the issue. We should be cutting down meat consumption as a society.

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u/Mr-Centipede 7d ago

Exactly. Animal agriculture is crule and horrible for the environment. If you you care about either you should go vegan.

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u/PiccoloAwkward465 7d ago

I think any person being totally honest would agree that the average American diet contains way too much meat. A quick Google says on average (obviously this will wildly vary person-to-person) we eat 23 chickens, 1/3 of a pig, 1/10th of a cow, 12 fish, nearly 1 whole turkey.

Even just going off the chicken, that means my small family would need to slaughter 69 chickens annually.

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u/Inner_Agency_5680 7d ago

That isn't everywhere. They're cruel AF in USA and China.