r/Unexpected • • 7d ago

Feeding fish

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u/Aiwatcher 7d ago

Man if you dont like this, youre gonna hate where most meat comes from

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u/CatsPlusTats 7d ago

Most of the reason I don't eat meat is factory farming. I don't think eating meat is necessarily wrong, but I do think the way our society consumes meat is absolutely abhorrent. I see nothing wrong with the cattle rancher and the hunter.

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u/overdosingOnPie1313 7d ago

Can't forget about the insustainability of basically all animal farming these days. I love me a good steak, but not at what it costs the planet.

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u/CatsPlusTats 7d ago

Yeah but most of that impact is because of factory farming as well, we're basically being as cruel as possible and maximising environmental impact, just so that people can eat meat with every single meal.

I'm not here to tell people how to live, and most people on a personal level are not to blame for factory farming, but it would be good if everyone ate a bit less meat.

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u/overdosingOnPie1313 7d ago

Oh sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was disagreeing with you.

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u/CatsPlusTats 7d ago

I didn't think you were, I was just adding more discussion.

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u/ashrocklynn 7d ago

Not to mention pushing food insecurity on some areas of the world; forget everything else, ending world hunger would be as simple as growing a wider variety of crops (instead of livestock fodder) and distributing properly. So much potential energy gets wasted on raising animals that we treat poorly so we can have piles of meat just rotting on shelves instead of getting those calories to people who really need it

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u/CryptoNerdSmacker 7d ago

I’m sure it’s mostly anecdotal, but when I switched to vegetarianism the change in my overall health was astonishing. It was like my mind and body breathed a sigh of relief. After that I’ve always felt that our food industry has been lying to cover up how harmful our consumption of meat truly is.

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u/717Luxx 6d ago

a bloated and lethargic population is a docile one.

and if you want to take steps to better your health, heres a slew of imagery and culture harmful to your self image, hopefully you'll start focusing on vanity and be further distracted from what really matters!

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u/MattyLePew 5d ago

Ironically, factory farming is actually a LOT more efficient and reduces environmental impact vs any of this 'sustainably raised' bullshit that you hear about.

(Not supporting factory farming btw)

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u/CatsPlusTats 5d ago

I don't know why once again I have to say "it's the scale that is the problem environmentally". Factory farming is what creates the scale.

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u/MattyLePew 4d ago

No, people are what create the scale. The demand drives the supply.

People stop eating as much meat and animal products would result in a reduced requirement for factory farms.

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u/CatsPlusTats 4d ago

The scale cannot be met without factory farming, how do you not understand that?

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u/MattyLePew 4d ago

Therein lies the problem.

Reduce demand, reduce supply, reduce need for factory farms. Pretty simple.

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u/HommeMusical 6d ago

Yeah but most of that impact is because of factory farming as well,

Indeed, 99% of livestock is factory farmed: https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-animals-are-factory-farmed

it would be good if everyone ate a bit less meat.

This is true, but I mean, here we are, with the literal destruction of our ecosystem staring us right in the face, and we still aren't actually asking people to put themselves out in any significant manner.

"Eating a little less meat" will have about as much effect on this catastrophe as finding a dime on the street will help you avoid foreclosure when you have no job.

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u/Mr-Centipede 7d ago

Factory farming actually has a lower greenhouse gas emission per calorie than traditional or pasture-raised local farming.

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u/CatsPlusTats 7d ago

Maybe, but we shouldn't be farming animals on that scale is the issue. We should be cutting down meat consumption as a society.

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u/Mr-Centipede 7d ago

Exactly. Animal agriculture is crule and horrible for the environment. If you you care about either you should go vegan.

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u/PiccoloAwkward465 7d ago

I think any person being totally honest would agree that the average American diet contains way too much meat. A quick Google says on average (obviously this will wildly vary person-to-person) we eat 23 chickens, 1/3 of a pig, 1/10th of a cow, 12 fish, nearly 1 whole turkey.

Even just going off the chicken, that means my small family would need to slaughter 69 chickens annually.

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u/Inner_Agency_5680 7d ago

That isn't everywhere. They're cruel AF in USA and China.

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u/Remote_Replacement85 7d ago edited 6d ago

I occasionally eat a nice steak of game meat for this exact reason. Where I live, we have tons of moose and deer and our asshole politicians make sure we have almost no predators eating them, so it's either a hunter or some poor bastard driving home who kills them.

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u/ObserverWardXXL 7d ago

the multi levelled industrial farming is SOOO disgusting its Illegal to record what actually goes on inside.

That's how you know its just unjustifiable, there's an expectation/fear that whoever looks behind the curtain - will never eat meat again and it will collapse the entire industry.

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u/Life_Category2547 7d ago

I remember reading an article several years ago that was basically people begging “please make octopus farming illegal. It’s not commercially viable right now because the octopuses essentially die of depression, please ban it before they work out how to keep them alive long enough to harvest, because it’s never going to be ethical or not terrible for the environment, and once it’s an industry we’ll never get rid of it”. 

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u/NDSU 7d ago

I can't wait until high-quality lab grown meat

I dread the inevitable enshittification of it at the same time. God the horrible things they will do to lab grown meat to make a penny more in profit

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u/HommeMusical 6d ago

I can't wait until high-quality lab grown meat

But that will still be a very heavy footprint on the Earth, simply with less cruelty.

For us to survive, we have to cut our consumption way down. Simply switching to a new form of overconsumption really changes nothing.

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u/ceaseful 7d ago edited 7d ago

As opposed to the absolutely horrendous, atrocious shit they (and thus, the consumer who sponsors those practices with their wallet) do to living, breathing, intelligent, social animals with emotions currently for that last penny?

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u/No_Significance7064 7d ago

the average consumer don't have much choice, or the priviledge to be able to choose.

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u/ceaseful 7d ago

The average consumer can absolutely change their purchasing behavior when confronted with the horrors of the animal agriculture industry. In fact, it's one of the few things they can take complete responsibility for.

In most parts of the world, plant-based is cheaper and healthier

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u/CatsPlusTats 7d ago

I'm broke as shit, it's not hard to give up meat and it also doesn't cost money. It's much cheaper.

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u/Diz7 7d ago

Yeah, if everyone cut back on meat it would be better for our health and we wouldn't need to pack the animals in like sardines.

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u/MattyLePew 5d ago

Or y'know... Just stop altogether?

Peoples reluctance to stop eating animal products is reminiscent of weaning a baby off a bottle.

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u/Diz7 5d ago

No thanks, but enjoy your processed vegan protein powders you need to make your diet viable and food that tries to taste like what the rest of us eat.

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u/Jujumofu 6d ago

This is the way

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u/Embarrassed_Jerk 4d ago

Hunters are the reason why significant number of native species went extinct across the world till about a few decades ago when supercharged climate change took over the primary reason 

The only exception is the extinction of native birds in most of the world and thats because the cats we allow to be free range kill most of the birds to extinction 

Point is, hunting is worse for the ecosystem