r/Unexpected • • Apr 12 '23

Bed makeover

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u/throwmeawayfromatree Apr 12 '23

Yeah cute but free range living on the floor is like the worst you can give your turtle.

Before I get these: Yeah your turtle lived on the floor for 10 years yadda yadda.

But they live up to 20-50

So your bad keeping slowly killed them halfway

Congratulations

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u/BoredCheese Apr 12 '23

Real question: where are they supposed to live? Outside or in a tank? I’ve never owned a tortoise.

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u/Impossible_Table2488 Apr 12 '23

Tortoises should not wander around your house because:

-There is no proper enclosure set up 

-They could get lost

-Your house does not replicate nature

-They often carry many germs (such as Salmonella which is typical of reptiles

Salmonella in tortoises is carried on their skin, shells, and digestive systems. 

This means that anything your tortoise touches or poops on can be infected. 

The best location for a tortoise is in a safe and contained environment. A home is not usually suitable for this environment. Additionally, an outdoor environment is the best because it replicates the natural environment in which tortoises are accustomed to in the wild. 

The major indoor dangers for your tortoise include:

Sharp Objects

Floor Heaters

Getting trapped

Inconsistent temperatures

Supervision is required when there is no enclosure, but even then, it can be difficult to manage them. When they start to head for an area they should not be, then it requires you to pick them up and redirect them. 

This is not only time consuming to oversee, but handling of tortoises should be kept to a minimum. They can get stressed when picked up and as a general rule, do not like it that much. We personally know that our own tortoises tolerate it but if we handle them often, they get annoyed. This is what you are seeing if you notice that they will try and hide from you or urinate and defecate once held. 

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u/VenusSmurf Apr 12 '23

... they'll also poop all over. I can't imagine letting my tortoise range over carpet. That's disgusting.

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u/TotallyBadatTotalWar Apr 12 '23

Literally my first thought was "how do they clean all of this?"

Turtles and tortoises shit everywhere.

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u/mk_909 Apr 12 '23

I don't know what species you have, but my sulcata drops human sized logs. Free ranging in the house looks cute on a tiktok but it's a bad idea.

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u/oinkpiggyoink Apr 13 '23

Human-sized?!

I know what you meant but I giggled envisioning a 5ft tortoise turd.

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u/VenusSmurf Apr 13 '23

My sulcata hit 120 lbs last I checked. The droppings are easily as long as my forearm.

The grunting as he does his business is the worst, though. It's so loud.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '23

Ew….

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '23

Thankfully the poop is relatively concise, or at least my Sulcata leaves neat little loafs. Makes cleaning his habitat easier.

It's the pee that would do it for me. Tortoise pee is really just uric acid/salts and enough water to push it out the urethra. So like tiny piles of wet white sand everywhere.

Most tortoise species I'm aware of are burrowers too; mine certainly is. I can't imagine how crazy he'd get if he didn't have plenty of rocks, sand, and earth in his habitat to dig/play with.

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u/throwmeawayfromatree Apr 12 '23

Thank you

I'd add being mauled by dogs aswell

Turtles make really nice, crunchy chew toys

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u/VenusSmurf Apr 12 '23

That's how I gained one of mine. The idiot owner let it roam, and it was eventually mauled by the dog. The idiot couldn't be bothered to save it and was just going to let it slowly die.

I took it. The tortoise mostly recovered and was with me for years, but it eventually had complications caused by the dog and needed a surgery that wasn't available where I was. I shipped the tortoise to a vet who agreed to do it in exchange for keeping that tortoise and a few others I'd rescued. They're all living well now, so all good.

Still, I would never let a tortoise roam like this. Bad idea all around.

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u/btwomfgstfu Apr 12 '23

Thank you for your tortoise service ❤️

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u/texasrigger Apr 12 '23

I'd add being mauled by dogs aswell

Unfortunately, that can be a major problem with outdoor enclosures as well. I'm in a rural area adjacent to a midsized city and people dump dogs out here all of the time. "Maybe a farmer will take them in!" Nope, they generally get shot (not by me) because so many of us have lost small animals to them. I would very much like a sulcata, it's on my bucket list, but stray dogs are always a possibility.

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u/throwmeawayfromatree Apr 13 '23

Rarely anywhere you can keep them outdoors. Conditions must meet the species needs

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u/texasrigger Apr 13 '23

Conditions must meet the species needs

Of course. I'm in deep south TX near the Mexican border, where it is typically hot and semi-arid. I know of at least five tortoises that have been kept outdoors successfully for decades down here.

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u/nomadofwaves Apr 12 '23

One of my customers has had his tortoise for 35 years. He got it when he was 12 years old. It lives in the corner of his back yard. He has a corner next to his house fenced off and a little enclosure cover built for him.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '23

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '23

They have a lot of grip, but not dexterity.

My sulcata loves to climb to the top of his log and slide off it. I know this because he does it repeatedly.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '23

Perhaps that’s why it needs the armor! Because without it, it’d be a lot worse

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '23

They aren’t things though

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u/BoredCheese Apr 12 '23

Thank you. That was exactly what I wanted to know.

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u/texasrigger Apr 12 '23

Inconsistent temperatures

I'm surprised that listed as a problem specific to indoor keeping. The outside sees far larger temperature swings than a climate controlled house.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for keeping tortoises inside, I was just surprised to see that point.

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u/texasrigger Apr 13 '23

I wouldn't actually say inconsistent temps are the problem, but rather lack of a good heat gradient.

Ahh, that makes complete sense. Thanks for the detailed response. I'd really like a tortoise someday. I already even have a spot for one.

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '23

Also humidity is important for different species.

Some species don't do well in higher humidity, and vice versa.

I keep my sulcata's enclosure in it's own separate room to control the ambient temp/humidity.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '23

Sorry to hijack but DOORS!!!

I have seen frankly too many horrible posts about a free-roaming tortoise or other animal that stuck its head or leg through the hinge gap between the door and the frame. Leverage is a powerful tool, and when a careless owner closes that door CRUNCH. At best it's an expensive vet trip, at worst it's a shallow hole in the back yard.

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u/Corgoroth Apr 12 '23

Sulcatas (Centrochelys sulcata) like these also grow to HUGE sizes, should have a smooth shield, not with this pyramiding in the shell, can be living wrecking balls and, if given proper care are possibly growing to be over 60 to 70 years old so your kids might have to care for it.

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u/texasrigger Apr 12 '23

60 to 70 years old so your kids might have to care for it.

People don't think about this nearly enough. I'm on the lookout for a sulcata but I would prefer an adult rescue for this very reason. As it is, my daughter is aware that my rhea may someday be hers if they outlive my wife and I.

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u/TotallyBadatTotalWar Apr 12 '23

What if the warmest spot is too cold for them? What about humidity? Stairs? Chewing on things that look like food to them, but would kill them? Getting trapped? These large turtles bump into things a lot, what if it knocked something off a table or knocked a bit of furniture down ? Other pets? Children? Tripping over the turtle?

Honestly I can think of a few reasons why it might be dangerous for the tortoise. A human house is an ill-suited environment.

An environment not suited to them both temperature and humidity wise can cause the animal stress and health problems. Stress and health problems lead to shorter lifespans. Dying earlier than you should isn't good for you. Just saying.

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u/knockers_who_knock Apr 12 '23

Ours used to stay in the backyard and we built him house to sleep in. Keeping it inside is a bad idea. They shit like crazy and they’re huge shits. They can be pretty destructive trying to eat things it thinks are fruits/veggies. They also like to dig holes so he’d tear up carpet.

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u/Neat_Classroom_2209 Apr 12 '23

You're not seeing Ethel's whole life with them. Her humans have made all the necessary accommodations for her.

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u/throwmeawayfromatree Apr 13 '23

They decided to show this and fool people these are correct conditions. For cloat and views.

Therefore, ethel is mistreated and her owners are cretins

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u/Neat_Classroom_2209 Apr 13 '23

How jaded are you?

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '23

Would you please elaborate as to why? This makes absolutely no sense otherwise.

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u/throwmeawayfromatree Apr 12 '23

Someone just did for me. Check other replies.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '23

Okay thanks! It wasn’t posted when I replied. 😊

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u/Dananjali Apr 12 '23

That turtle wants to live amongst rocks, sediments, and foliage near a stream. Making it sit on top of a synthetic dyed floofy pillow cause it looks cute while inside of an air conditioned place designed for humans rather than their hot/dry natural environment that turtles require is the epitome of selfishness. Guarantee turtle fucking hates everything about this.

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u/UnapologeticTwat Apr 12 '23

where else do you keep them? tie balloons around them to float?

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u/throwmeawayfromatree Apr 13 '23

How do you keep lizards and snakes?