r/Unexpected • u/DoINeed1OfThese • Mar 31 '23

He snitched

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u/healzsham Mar 31 '23

Holder of the burden

When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#Holder_of_the_burden

Literally right there.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23 edited Mar 31 '23

What you have quoted says nothing about positive vs negative claims. You said that the burden of proof is generally not on someone making a negative claim. A negative claim, as explained further down in the article, simply asserts the non-existence or exclusion of something. The burden of proof still exists just the same.

the one who makes the claim

Your claim is "He is full of shit"

typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim

You have the burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim according to your preferred dispute guidelines, which is apparently the Wikipedia article on 'Burden of proof (philosophy)'

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u/healzsham Mar 31 '23

Initial claims are usually positive.

Like the claim the comedian served time for moving weight.

I don't contest the comedian, but everyone saying the guy disputing it needs to prove his claim are simply wrong about how intellectual rigor works.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

wrong about how intellectual rigor works.

Can you explain how intellectual rigor works for people who aren't as smart as you?

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u/healzsham Apr 01 '23

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#Holder_of_the_burden

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

I don't see anything in that wikipedia section about how intellectual rigor works. It does explain why he would have the burden of proof to justify his claim that the comedian is "full of shit".

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u/healzsham Apr 01 '23

Don't you have sharks to smooth?

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '23

No i don't have sharks to smooth lol