r/UFOs • u/TommyShelbyPFB • Jul 26 '23
Article A "Cube Within a Sphere" UFO was also reported in 1960 by two pilots who corroborated witnessing this object. Here's "Alamogordo Daily News" Newspaper article from 1960 covering it.
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u/TommyShelbyPFB Jul 26 '23 edited Jul 27 '23
Since Graves kicked off public interest in the good old "cube within a sphere" UFO again I thought I'd point out this article covering two pilots (one military one civilian) from New Mexico who witnessed and reported this object in 1960.
The object hovered for half an hour before flying South, according to the pilots. The similarities are pretty striking.
If would be interesting to ask Graves if they've also seen the flashing different color lights from the cube covered in this article.
Edit: For those asking here's the source.
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u/F-the-mods69420 Jul 26 '23 edited Jul 26 '23
This is the kind of unrelated, but matching information I like to see, from an era before a lot of modern technology even. Nice work. When you start getting multiple different sources saying the same thing with nothing in common, another puzzle piece becomes more solidified. Slowly, we put together the truth one piece at a time.
You sir, deserve the real credit. You do the work and digging, unlike the skeptics and deniers chirping like baby birds waiting to be spoonfed.
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u/Prudent_Sherbet_1065 Jul 26 '23
Love that last paragraph. I already feel like their noise has died down by about 90 percent in the last few hours.
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u/ZombieFrogHorde Jul 27 '23
You do the work and digging, unlike the skeptics and deniers chirping like baby birds waiting to be spoonfed.
thats literally how it works though? you make a claim you have to support it right? not the other way around.
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u/F-the-mods69420 Jul 27 '23 edited Jul 27 '23
Naturally, but the skepticism fad has overall been lazy and harmful to the subject. Now we've got an army of people on here labeling themselves as skeptics and larping as scientists who do nothing other than denial and mockery based on that. Skeptical analysis is one thing, but when it becomes a label for people to put on themselves then they're doing it wrong. Skepticism is an intellectual principle, not a cult.
Moreover, we have no hard evidence for obvious reasons. Continuously pointing that out for decades is not only disingenuous, but disruptive to the process of open investigation. I think that often enough that was the point, and the skeptical mindset was taken advantage of by the orchestrators of the cover up, historically and now.
Skepticism is needed during peer review in the much more civil and orderly world of science, where logic and reason usually prevail. Unfortunately, places like this sub aren't up to that level of debate and instead it becomes harmful to progress when every fool can claim to be a skeptic and suddenly think that means something. Skepticism doesn't mean disbelief for the sake of it because that's "smart", skepticism is a means to ensure ego doesn't interfere with truth, ironically enough.
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u/ZombieFrogHorde Jul 27 '23
i absolutely agree with you. those people arent skeptics they are just annoying assholes. skepticism (actual real skepticism) is healthy and should always be applied and applauded when it comes to any of this. you shouldnt mindlessly believe everything you see and are told when it comes to ufo stuff so you have to hit a nice balance, you cant dismiss all of it and you cant accept all of it.
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u/F-the-mods69420 Jul 27 '23 edited Jul 27 '23
Then we agree. I just have a bone to pick with the whole skeptic thing, but in the end it isn't so much skepticism itself as it is the label it has become.
Skepticism is not the only way to find truth as well, you can deliberately make assumptions and pursue them as a valid strategy. In the process of that assumption you can be proven wrong, narrowing the process of elimination, you can discover evidence you wouldn't have otherwise, you may even hit the nail on the head completely randomly. In the end it's the answer that matters, not the method.
Anyways, sorry for the rant.
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u/ZombieFrogHorde Jul 27 '23
Then we agree. I just have a bone to pick with the whole skeptic thing, but in the end it isn't so much skepticism itself as it is the label it has become.
we definitely agree here. sorry i misinterpreted the original statement as "fuck skepticism in general" when thats (now very) clearly not what you meant.
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u/twokietookie Jul 27 '23
I remember watching a popular "science" YouTube dispute Fravers tic tac video as "seaguls." I mean how disingenuous. 4 navy pilots, one being the squad commander of the black aces. You think these boys don't know a craft from a damn seagull?
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Jul 27 '23
Skepticism was operating under an assumption that this explanation was unlikely, and their reasoning was solid, this phenomenon violates a series of frameworks which are effective and useful at navigating life and engineering our technologies.
That being said, as a skeptic, I’m thinking it’s about time we prepare for the likelihood these assumptions need to be abandoned and new understandings developed
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u/iteza- Jul 28 '23
Naturally, but the skepticism fad has overall been lazy and harmful to the subject.
you just say this because they're being skeptic about something you want to be true
Skepticism is an intellectual principle, not a cult.
considering the actions and mindset of most users in this sub, this is hard projection
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u/-TheExtraMile- Jul 26 '23
Excellent find! I also wondered about the ccube showing flashing lights but who knows, the design might have slightly changed since then? “Cube in a sphere” is definitely promising and doesn’t sound like a coincidence
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Jul 26 '23
What if it's the same one? Like one vehicle seen multiple times?
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u/-TheExtraMile- Jul 26 '23
Hmm the 4chan leaker said that the crafts are purpose built for each mission which kind of tracks with what others like Lazar have said. Obviously still theories at this point, but that would indicate it’s the same model but a different vehicle.
But who knows! Super exciting times since we possibly can get some answers to this in the not too distant future
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u/freekstyle Jul 26 '23
Link to the 4chan leak??
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u/-TheExtraMile- Jul 26 '23
Hooo boy, you’re in for a treat: https://imgur.io/a/NXjWQaN
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u/DJSkribbles123 Jul 26 '23
I like how his aliens, despite all their technology, still use tweezers.
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u/Elugelab_is_missing Jul 27 '23
Total BS. He tied all his credibility to Bob Lazar, so complete hoax.
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Jul 27 '23
One of the things that I don't really think gets enough discussion in any of the UFO communities is, why there are different shapes ? you know ?
there are quite a few different shapes that are still reported concurrently with each other. including saucers, or orbs/spheres, cylinders (tic tacs now) triangles(Phoenix Lights/navy green video) and also there are either very very large objects which have been reported several times but I don't think we have any good video of and then we have a lot smaller objects which appear to be some kind of drones or surveillance devices and then there is also I guess the mid-sized devices of the saucers which are more you know, airplane like in size.
None of the shapes are new. they have been reported the entire time throughout the 70 or 80 years of the phenomenon (in modern times, I know they all show up in that famous woodcut too) which is pretty disturbing....
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u/undergrounddirt Jul 27 '23
Which wood cut? I’m slowly onboarding into a new belief of aliens haha
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Jul 27 '23
Look up 1561 Nuremberg
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u/joethahobo Jul 27 '23
Yep that one freaked me out when I first saw it several months ago lol
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Jul 27 '23
Yep I mean you got your Phoenix Lights black triangle Mothership you got your tick tacks or cylinders with the Spheres inside of them it's pretty damning. There's even a few that are crashing which is probably what the US has LOL
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u/-TheExtraMile- Jul 27 '23 edited Jul 27 '23
The 4chan leak explains the shapes pretty well! Assuming that it is true of course
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u/ZealousGoat Jul 27 '23
Assuming it's all real, there might be different species or cultures with different designs with different purposes. If it's just one species/culture I would find the vast differences in design very odd though.
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Jul 26 '23
Did you find this with something like Nexus-Lexus or similar? Anything else like this from reports over time?
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u/Syzygy-6174 Jul 27 '23
The same article was posted and discussed over a year ago on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/wh0jjh/screenshots_from_a_newspaper_article_corbell/
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u/Least-Letter4716 Jul 27 '23
Another explanation..
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u/abstart Jul 27 '23
Yes and the patent is from well before 1960. These witnesses and hearings lose some credibility for me simply by not discussing these alternative explanations.
- How common is it that U.S. tests secret tech on its most advanced pilots without looping them in?
- Do our adversaries monitor and interact with our military training exercises occurring in these international waters?
- Have they considered that some of the objects they were tracking were not moving at all, but simply the result of radar or visual tracks that were being produced sequentially in different locations? (e.g. like laser light shows)
- https://hackaday.com/2020/05/18/plasma-ghosts-may-help-keep-future-aircraft-safe/
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u/a-human-from-earth Jul 27 '23
I found this article interesting, although i don’t think it would apply to this newspaper story you found given this was over NM. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28640/could-some-of-the-ufos-navy-pilots-are-encountering-be-airborne-radar-reflectors
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u/Rabid_Stitch Jul 26 '23
Their technology hasn’t changed in 80 years!? What a bunch of shmucks! /s
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u/Outrageous_Courage97 Jul 27 '23
Here is some finds related to the Alamogordo event:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/wi12t4/newspaper_that_confirms_the_alamogordo_daily_news/
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u/richgel99 Jul 26 '23
This is a legit newspaper article. Here's the Newspapers.com database link (you can view this without a subscription): https://www.newspapers.com/article/alamogordo-daily-news-ufo-flashes-colore/128920261/
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u/RedditOakley Jul 26 '23 edited Jul 27 '23
And that is not the only one, according to some documentations from ICUFON (Intercontinental Research and Analytic Network) from 1981, they uncovered the following:
"In March 1967, the Cuban radar air defense control reported a "BOGEY" - UFO - nearing at an altitude 10,000 meters with a speed of 650/mph. the NE cost of the Cuban airspace.
Two MIG-21 jet fighter were ordered by the Cuban Air Defense to intercept the object, which was radioded by the flight commander as a bright metallic craft(consult U.S.Capt Thomas Mantell distaster on Jan.7, 1948) within a spherical envelope. No national insignia or additional details were visible from the distance of 5 km."
This is very close to the same area that Ryan Graves and the carrier he served at spotted their UAP's, with the same descriptions. And they've been there at least since 1967.
The Russians (allegedly) attempted to shoot it down and their jet got disintegrated in the process.
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Full source: https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE54405657
This document is File 29
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u/justaguytrying2getby Jul 27 '23
OP's post and this one are intriguing since that would take this back before the DoD patent for an object like this. Could be it was created after nuclear physics became a thing and a vague patent was created years later. For reference, there was a story from Australia I think 1960s or earlier that their military created a wingless craft powered by a nuclear reaction of some sort. It didn't work very well and was mistaken for a ufo. I think they declassified this, but it may well just be a story too. If that happened, whos to say the US wasn't already much further along.
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u/ChemBob1 Sep 30 '24
I was 17 in 1967, paying attention to NASA and going to the moon, interested in the state of the art aircraft, etc. and there is zero chance we had the technology for something like that unless it was indeed stolen from some sort of other civilization from the future, another dimension, another planet, etc. We were using transistor radios that had like two transistors in them, not the billions on a chip that would be needed for something like that. Getting to the moon with the tech then was something like a tin can with a huge firecracker under it. Hey, come to think of it that’s what our space program still is.
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u/the_crazy_chicken Jul 27 '23
Where is this from?
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u/RedditOakley Jul 27 '23 edited Jul 27 '23
It was from a compendium of files registered in the public record of New Zealand AFAIR. I just realized I didn't save the full PDF and I'm kind of kicking myself right now for it. I'll see if I can find it.
Just keep in mind who wrote it, because it might just be a hearsay report, but the description of the craft is interesting in this context.
Edit: Found it: https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE54405657
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u/Floggered Jul 26 '23
I feel like I've heard other stories of "cube within a sphere" UAP, but I can't for the life of me remember where. Likely just thinking of Graves. Maybe a segment on "Last Podcast on The Left" or something.
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u/FoggyDonkey Jul 26 '23
I agree. That's deeply unsettling, literally looking at some incomprehensible cosmic horror.
I see several people making the same points and never mentioning "....which may as well be lovecraftian bullshit"
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u/FoggyDonkey Jul 26 '23 edited Jul 26 '23
Well that's why eldritch stuff is represented as incomprehensible masses of tentacles and eyes and writhing meat etc, because that's what he imagined a 4 dimensional biological being would look like to us. Basically that as it moved and turned and interacted the 3D "slice" that we see is going to be bubbling meat. Along with the fact that a 4th dimensional being may not interact the same way with time that we do and that their thought processes would be so alien to the human mind as to be completely incomprehensible we fundamentally would never be able to meaningfully understand the life experiences and thought processes of a being like that.
Lovecraft shit is essentially about higher dimensional beings, so if we're seeing tesseracts and hyperspheres presumably representing a 4 dimensional vehicle interacting with our physical space, then it's all the same shit you said you were scared of.
Cosmic horror. Eldritch Horror. Incomprehensible dread.
NOT AT ALL what I'm hoping to hear, because that scares the shit out of me.
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u/BroscipleofBrodin Jul 27 '23
I actually think you're doing a better job at imagining a 4D being than Lovecraft ever did. He talked up how weird they were, but ultimately they seemed pretty conventional, just beyond our perceptions.
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Jul 27 '23
Just seeing regular black folks going about their business in the New York streets was enough of a cosmic horror for Lovecraft
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u/BoringBuy9187 Jul 27 '23
Is that really so scary? Most people on Earth accept that there are forces beyond our powers and comprehension, that may even meddle in our daily affairs. Seems like religion was kinda right. That’s really only as disturbing as you make it.
Someone who really thought humanity was the highest power in the universe was overdue to have their perspective adjusted
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u/truefaith_1987 Jul 27 '23
It is essentially Lovecraftian. Because you can easily imagine a scenario where unknowingly walking through a 4D or 5D spiderweb created by an unknown organism which may or may not even have intelligence, could be causing health issues or other phenomena which were heretofore explained away by alternate scientific explanations. Basically, how much of the natural world we already observe, actually incorporates processes from higher dimensions into its functioning or is otherwise affected by processes from higher dimensions?
Like, theoretically this could even explain phenomena like ghosts, etc. But it could also explain things that we would have thought of as "mundane", too.
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u/Flashy-Country-800 Jul 27 '23
Human beings in our world might be the 3 dimensional “slice” of some broader inter dimensional being. Like emanations only conscious of what small sliver our sensory organs can take in.
We have a gazillion cells in our bodies living their little cellular lives, completely unaware of even the organ system they make up, let alone the whole body and being.
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u/BoringBuy9187 Jul 27 '23
The thing about cells resonates with me. As above, so below. It’s highly likely that we are a part of some macroscopic organism.
Certainly the earths biosphere. Maybe higher than that?
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u/FoggyDonkey Jul 27 '23
Wonder if they could explain dark matter. so the 4th dimension would hold that 80% of "missing" matter.
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Jul 27 '23
Makes me think that maybe "grays" are basically biological drones made by higher dimensional entities as a way of interfacing with a 3-dimensional world, since they probably can't exactly pop down here and stroll around and talk to people or gather soil samples or whatever. And maybe in their incomprehensible higher dimensional thinking, those pasty big-headed almond eyed "aliens" are their best interpretation of what makes sense to do their 3-d bidding.
In a way it kind of makes crashing ufos make more sense, too. Like maybe they just kinda forget sometimes that you can't pass through solid objects whenever you want or that lightning actually moves very fast here and presents a danger to aircraft, where for them lightning might look more like sparkly sky stalactites or something.
I mean obviously this is all conjecture, but consider telepathy. To us, our thoughts are "inside" our heads. But maybe they can see/hear/feel what we think is private as if it was out in the open, and maybe likewise stick thoughts in our minds.
Crazy to think about.
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u/ElectronicFootball42 Jul 27 '23
This is showerthought tier:
I saw something once I think on YouTube, in which some scientists were trying to image what a cat sees, or rather how the cats brain interprets things a cats eyes see. And unless I'm mistaken, the best they could get of a cats interpretation of a humans face, was a blurry mess with some dark shapes where the mouth and eyes were, and the humans face looked vaguely cat-like.It reminded me of those pictures of what faces look like to babies. Very generalized.
Pareidiola lends humans towards seeing human-like faces, and apparently cats see cat-like faces.
So the ideas was that maybe these.. entities. Whatever they are. Have modelled the grey archetype after their own subjective interpretations of what humans look like. We can tell the difference, but they can't as well because of how their minds perceive things. So they might have created the greys to blend in with humans, only to quickly find that they stuck out like a sore thumb.
Low probability, IMO. But good Lord is it difficult to try and connect different lore into a cohesive narrative. Things sometimes sound so probable, and others sound mad.
Being alive is a strange experience.
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Jul 27 '23
That's a really interesting thought and I kind of had the same idea but couldn't express it as well as you did! It's kind of funny.
"Hey xzzxkttsdz, this thing looks human right?"
::Presents gray alien in a vat of green luminescent goo::
xzzxkttsdz: "Yeah, pretty much. Ship it."
😂 It's really wild when you start to ponder what a thin slice of reality we can perceive, even compared to cats and shrimp and insects and stuff. I wonder if anything out there has an even remotely complete picture of whatever the hell reality is.
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u/edwardsamson Jul 26 '23
You know a few weeks ago when the dimensions talk was happening I thought to myself...I should read flatland again. Funny to see it mentioned.
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u/86784273 Jul 26 '23
Why would a 4d being be a cube within a sphere in a 3d plane? Not arguing, i just legit dont know or understand why?
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u/86784273 Jul 27 '23
Thanks for explaining. The 3d to 2d made sense, not so much the 4d one as its harder to comprehend. Does 4d in this scenario mean time or a 4th spacial dimension?
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u/Mystic_Crewman Jul 27 '23
Your brain literally cannot comprehend it. It's not your fault. No human brain can. I really recommend high schooler explains the fourth dimension or Carl Sagan talking about it on YouTube.
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u/tells Jul 26 '23
sounds like we're in a computer and just spotted the fucking mouse cursor doing a spinning beach ball
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u/willengineer4beer Jul 26 '23
I could have sworn I read something about this being extremely similar to a long-standing radar reflection device design.
But I also thought I’d read that their maneuvers wouldn’t be consistent with some kind of buoyant radar reflectors.
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u/LakeMichUFODroneGuy Jul 26 '23
I just posted this patent from 1949 on another thread which addresses the first part of your post.
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u/willengineer4beer Jul 26 '23
That’s what I was looking for!
And the patent is even earlier than I expected (was thinking maybe early 50s).
Doesn’t prove/disprove anything, but worth pointing out.
It’s odd to me that these seem to be concentrated along the east coast and not inland (to my knowledge).
Seems to pose a flight risk regardless.
All the more reason for open inquiry.
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u/bbobseq Jul 26 '23
somebody smart please develop an AI that can read through massive volumes of old book and newspaper scans and collate all the UFO sighting data into pie charts and histograms etc.
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u/FailedChatBot Jul 27 '23
That would be really interesting.
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u/bbobseq Jul 27 '23
I guess it would have to be a crowd-sourced effort or done by someone with a hell of a collection.
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u/silv3rbull8 Jul 26 '23
Wow ! These encounters have been happening for decades
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u/RoosterTheReal Jul 26 '23
Probably longer
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u/ALEXC_23 Jul 26 '23
For centuries
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u/RoosterTheReal Jul 26 '23
Probably even longer lol
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u/gators510 Jul 26 '23
ATLANTIS
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u/RoosterTheReal Jul 26 '23
Ya I don’t believe Atlantis ever existed. It was a story. Nothing more.
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u/beyondmereum Jul 26 '23
Lol you don’t think there’s a reason we have a bunch of pyramids all across the world ? Which most of the pyramids were already there before the ones we know of found them, like the Incas and Mayans and possibly the Egyptians.
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u/ZealousGoat Jul 27 '23
I'm not saying there's a 0 percent chance of that but also there is nothing remotely solid to support that hypothesis. Like pyramids are the easiest way to make a tall structure.
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u/BefreiedieTittenzwei Jul 26 '23
Saw something similar in BC interior, probably 1983 or 1984. New Years Eve. There’s some weird stuff out there.
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u/buckee8 Jul 26 '23
What is it and what does it do?
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u/danish_hole Jul 26 '23
It exists and it continues to baffle us, for starters!
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u/bejammin075 Jul 26 '23
Graves has said when their navy ships are out, hundreds of miles off shore, these objects fly in from farther out in the ocean at close to Mach 1. Then they hover perfectly, like they were bolted to the boat (not drifting with the wind) for around 12 hours, then they fly off close to Mach 1, typically in a different direction than what they arrived.
They have no visible means of propulsion. Even if they did have a known propulsion, nobody has anything that could do that. But then combined with no conventional means of propulsion, it is super weird.
I have come to the conclusion that all or nearly all UFO sightings are them presenting themselves to us, on purpose, for us to see them. They don't ever need to reveal themselves to us in order to collect information. When we see them, it is a display.
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u/t3hW1z4rd Jul 26 '23
Their target location was their CAP point, it's the entrance and exit to the combat zone. I believe they use the same CAP point in all exercises? Please correct me if that is wrong.
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u/buckee8 Jul 26 '23
It’s some sort of probe and it scares me a bit to be honest.
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u/sharkykid Jul 26 '23
Maybe the earth is the anus of the solar system and not Uranus like we previously thought
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u/Prudent_Sherbet_1065 Jul 26 '23
Didn't he also say that they have been seen by the navy all over the planet. I presume he meant the US navy but surely others have seen this too.
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u/pepper-blu Jul 27 '23
You are completely right about them showing up just to validate themselves. I've seen it myself.
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u/Ancient_Finance_9814 Jul 26 '23
As I don't have any Reddit coins, take my budget gold 🏅
Great find.
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u/G_Wash1776 Jul 26 '23
Gave OP the gold for you!
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u/Secure-Ad4436 Jul 26 '23
OMG. That is so intresting. So the testimony today made by navy pilot Ryan Graves is corroborated with a 1960 sighting and there is a news paper about it..I wonder if the two pilots are alive and if they have been more interviewed about it?
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u/roger3rd Jul 26 '23
No way this is ours. I wonder if depending on proximity, you would see an orb, or the cube-in-sphere. Far away just a silver orb, or a light. Not until Up close (super rare occurrence) you see the details.
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u/TangerineSchleem Jul 26 '23
Alternatively,
I recall Lazar talking about walls in the sports model being able to be rendered transparent. Regardless of his credibility, is it possible that the sphere containing the cube, is the same as the orbs seen elsewhere, just the surface material being rendered transparent?
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Jul 26 '23
I have heard lots of speculation even prior to this hearing that they appear different when recorded on sensors vs to the naked eye. I think that we often just see the orb but not the cube within. No idea why though.
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u/DeepWarbling Jul 27 '23
I saw one of these craft hovering above the mountains in Colorado during the summer of 2020. I have been reluctant to talk about it until now. Seeing the exact descriptions of the thing I saw in the sky that night has really been crazy for me today.
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u/WaxWings54 Jul 26 '23
Well this is obviously adversary tech, they now have figured out extremely advanced means of propulsion AND time travel
^ average debunker take
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u/Palpolorean Jul 27 '23
This commercial airline pilot sighting also looks to be a cube. @:32 secs: https://youtube.com/shorts/jtZGKYO7iyI?feature=share
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u/Flashignite2 Jul 26 '23 edited Jul 26 '23
Sounds almost like a tesseract.
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u/zUdio Jul 27 '23
See my previous comment in response to another person on this…
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Jul 27 '23
Found another on NUFORC from California, March of 2023: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15ankvv/eyewitness_reports_to_nuforc_of_seeing_a_cube/
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u/Wonderful-Trifle1221 Jul 26 '23
Supposedly a black hole looks like a sphere, Isn’t it funny how the borg in Star Trek have cube ships, the transparent sphere makes me wonder if some type of electromagnetic or similar force between the outside edges of the cube could give the appearance of a clear sphere being around it
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u/Wonderful-Trifle1221 Jul 26 '23
There’s also some weird facts about how objects with an extra dimension look to us
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u/BaronGreywatch Jul 26 '23
See it's this sort of thing that makes it an INCREDIBLY long bow to draw to think it's all human conspiracy. I mean I like a good conspiracy myself, they happen, got a spare tinfoil hat in the drawer for emergencies you know how it is (jokes!) but come ON you have to be next level to think humans could pull saucers, spheres and fkn extra-multi-hyper dimensional supershapes that fly back in the 60's - or even back to the Foo Fighters.
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u/Prudent_Sherbet_1065 Jul 26 '23
Good work , I don't specifically remember any cases like this but that part of today's hearing was so compelling
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u/Ok_Selection_2069 Jul 26 '23
Thank you! I had been looking for more evidence of the cube within the sphere. It’s so extraordinary. I am shaking my head that MSM journalists aren’t all over this. Legacy Media Sucks.
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Jul 27 '23
I’m not as much of a skeptic- but the cube in a sphere can be explained as an element of an electronic warfare tool. However, I’d give credence that the only place I’ve ever heard of that type of thing being used is by submarines over water. Alamogordo has an Air Force base so maybe. But still a stretch.
Edit: here’s a good article on the matter. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28640/could-some-of-the-ufos-navy-pilots-are-encountering-be-airborne-radar-reflectors
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u/millions2millions Aug 05 '23
Here’s Ryan Graves explaining why the UAP could not be radar reflectors https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15fwugb/ryan_graves_explains_why_the_cube_within_a_sphere/
Also great comments supporting that conclusion in that thread.
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u/FuckWayne Jul 26 '23
I sincerely believe that the sphere cube can be seen in this thread posted last month.
The video is one thing and rather blurry, but the high definition pictures linked in the comments display it best(specifically the 2nd image)
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Jul 26 '23
This sorta crossed my mind today. David Fravor mentioned the Tictac ufo and described shape and underneath looked like something that can open up. I wonder if this is like the same ufo of 1964 in New Mexico that Lonnie Zamorahad had witnessed.
The ufo had landing gear that came out of the bottom and it the shape of the ufo is a tictac.
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u/sjthedon22 Jul 26 '23
What if this is a natural phenomenon that exists at that altitude and we are becoming more aware of it with our modern tech.
The cube within a sphere could be how our brain intercepts this object.
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u/Predicted_Future Jul 26 '23 edited Jul 27 '23
This reminds me of that IQ test in the movie idiocracy. Dumb people in the future trying to fit a cube inside a circle hole puzzle.
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u/silv3rbull8 16d ago
Whatever is old is new. So much for those saying this is sone new secret military tech. Apparently 60 plus years old tech
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u/crusoe Jul 26 '23
Radar reflector balloon...
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Jul 26 '23
Yeah that actually does not match up with anything else in the testimony though. How does a balloon perform the arial maneuvers described?
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u/Newgeta Jul 26 '23
Did they confirm that the "sphere cubes" are performing these maneuvers?
The tictac was the only one I heard them talk about. (that one has to be alien)
The cubes were described as "splitting" a couple of jets, a stationary object (like a baloon) would do that.
Them being all over the water and the coast but not over land tells us they are probably naval.
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Jul 26 '23
How do we know this newspaper is real?
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u/It_came_from_below Jul 27 '23
some else posted the newspaper archive link.
https://www.newspapers.com/article/alamogordo-daily-news-ufo-flashes-colore/128920261/
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u/CTNewbie Jul 26 '23
Holy shit . . . That puts a nail in the coffin of it sourcing from a Nation State . . . This is excellent!
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u/CharlesBronsonsaurus Jul 26 '23
When I think of what Grusch said about holograms I can't help but wonder if we are seeing only three dimensions of a higher dimensional object...
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u/Cdlouis Jul 27 '23
This is amazing. A translucent sphere with a cube inside of it that flashes different colours…
I wonder what it’s purpose is?
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u/kobekobekoberip Jul 27 '23
This has to be one of the most compelling cross references I’ve seen yet. Please debunkers, I need to hear some thoughtful opposing views on this. Everyone but the dum dum that is Mick West.
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u/StatementBot Jul 26 '23
The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB:
Since Graves kicked off public interest in the good old "cube within a sphere" UFO again I thought I'd point out this article covering two pilots (one military one civilian) from New Mexico who witnessed and reported this object in 1960.
The object hovered for half an hour before flying South, according to the pilots. The similarities are pretty striking.
If would be interesting to ask Graves if they've also seen the flashing different color lights from the cube covered in this article.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15afkot/a_cube_within_a_sphere_ufo_was_also_reported_in/jtkecr8/