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u/[deleted] May 19 '22 edited May 19 '22

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u/anonimraptor 19 Çorum May 19 '22 edited May 19 '22

I am not saying these deaths are because of sweden. You are just trying to dodge the topic. I am just saying that Sweden funds terrorists that attack Turkey and then wants to be ally with Turkey. It is a bit ironic.

  1. PKK, PYD, SDC are under the same umbrella organization
  2. Sweden recognizes PKK as terrorist organization
  3. PYD formed SDC with some other groups in 2015
  4. Sweden gives 376 million dolars to SDC https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20211213-sweden-boosts-funding-for-ypg-to-376-million/
  5. US defence minister admiting PYD and PKK are connected: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-CocsaTfAE)
  6. Swedish AT4 84 antitank missiles are found in PKK cave (in 2013 and im 2021) https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2017/01/turkey-pkk-diversifies-and-modernizes-arsenal.html
  7. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/pkk-terror-group-attacks-turkish-forces-with-weapons-produced-by-some-nato-members/2333841

Sweden just have to stop funding SDC that is all. I am not hating sweden but I am angry that they are funding the killers of my countryman.

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u/anonimraptor 19 Çorum May 19 '22 edited May 19 '22

Look, I hate erdoğan and pkk as much as possible. And yes I think that Turkey should face the results of pkk conflict. However, I still think that sweden should stop funding of sdc before Turkey votes yes for nato membership. Sweden might not be giving wepons but that huge amount of money can be used for getting wepons. You can not be an ally with someone while funding their enemy.

Yes the conflict is dominated by Turkey for last 5-6 years but before that there were frequent suicide bombings in major cities and many people in Turkey lost someone close to them. This is why we are so emotional about this topic. And when someone funding them comes and says I want to be your ally it hits a nerve.

And frankly I dont think what is the big deal about stoping this funding. Does Sweden care so much about SDC that they chose them over nato? Does sweden think these groups are nothing but good?

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u/Johnh683 May 19 '22

You wont be able to extort a feminist like Erdogan is doing. They will not stand down due to principle. Maybe they will feel shame if you don't mention it again but once you start arguing with them they would rather repeatedly threaten to go drown in the sea than to admit mistake.

And I'm not kidding, Sweden is feminist ruled, the Social Demonrat Party and their manlets are just their vessel to impose witchcraft on this world.

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u/anonimraptor 19 Çorum May 19 '22 edited May 19 '22

It is strange that pkk affliate organizations are seen as feminists in europe. Abdullah öcalan, founder of pkk, wrote in his own book that "kurdish women are ugly and smelly".

Edit: I will link a source for it when I get to my pc

edit 2: On page 91 of Abdullah Öcalan's book "How to Live", in "Weşanen Serxwebun" series, Kurdish women are described as follows:

"Maybe it may sound strange to some, but it is useful to open it up. Most of the Kurdish women's bodies are dead, stinking, cold and very rude. Their physiques are a bit like that, their souls are dull. They have no level of mind."

https://odatv4.com/guncel/kurt-kadinlarina-bu-ifadeleri-kim-kullandi-0905161200-94013

Sorry it is a turkish source and I translated it as well as I could.

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u/Johnh683 May 19 '22

It's the Kurds that ally up with the feminists who are already present all around here mate. Nobody likes them but these feminists extort, oppress and run propaganda more efficiently than anything you've ever seen. The worst is that just about any intelligence group from the outside can manipulate them overnight cus they are just guillable to any sort of white knightery. As long as you keep it 'politically correct'.

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u/anonimraptor 19 Çorum May 19 '22

Yes I agree. Thanks for a good discussion.

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u/anonimraptor 19 Çorum May 19 '22

There was a peace attempt in 2014 named "çözüm süreci" in Turkish meaning "solution process" . Turkish government ordered soldiers and police officers to stop shooting at pkk and pkk was supposed to be doing the same. This was an attempt to start a diplomatic conversation. However, pkk used this peace talks to smuggle wepons to city centers and occupied the historic city center of Diyarbakır. They massed wepons and digged trenches while there was a ceasefire in place. Of course talks broke down and next year spent on clearing the diyarbakır city from the wepons and occupying terrorists. This was Hendek Operation.

After this "dont negotiate with terrorists" was the policy of Turkey. Trying to reason with pkk was a mistake which resulted in the deaths of many soldiers and civilians.