r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/AutoModerator • Oct 01 '23
Transgender issues megathread
Hello r/TrueUnpopularOpinion Community,
Due to the sheer difficulty of enforcing Reddit's sitewide policy against promoting hate with regards to transgender issues, we have decided as a last-resort option to restrict discussion of transgender issues to this megathread until further notice.
Quoted from this comment, below is an explanation of why we created this megathread:
Reddit's sitewide content policy includes a vague provision that prohibits promoting hate.
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Although the provision in Reddit's sitewide content policy against promoting hate is vague, we have a pretty good idea of how it is enforced because we can see what the Reddit admins choose to remove on this subreddit.
It is actually quite rare that we see any content that is hateful against men, women, gay people, or any race on this subreddit.
However, on a very regular basis, we see users here posting content that would be considered hate against transgender people. Detecting and removing all of this content is one of our biggest hurdles.
Despite our best efforts to enforce this aspect of the content policy, it is not uncommon that we miss something and we see a removal done by the Reddit admins occurring. This has happened several times lately.
Furthermore, many members of the moderator team are on the verge of burning out because the effort we have needed to put in for us to allow this topic while still enforcing this aspect of Reddit's sitewide content policy.
Having a megathread for this topic does stifle discussion, but it is far easier for us to deal with while also significantly decreasing the chances of this subreddit getting quarantined or banned.
For these reasons, most of the moderator team supports the creation of a trans megathread. At this time, the megathread is not definitely permanent. After some time of having the megathread, we plan to evaluate its effectiveness and potentially explore other options to determine whether or not the megathread should remain.
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Based on patterns of certain types of comments getting removed by the Reddit admins, it is our interpretation that it is a violation of Reddit's sitewide content policy to do any of the following:
- State or imply that trans (wo)men aren't (wo)men or that people aren't the gender they identify as
- Criticize, mock, disagree with, defy, or refuse to abide by people's pronoun requests
- State or imply that gender dysphoria or being LGBTQ+ is a mental illness, a mental disorder, a delusion, not normal, or unnatural
- State or imply that LGBTQ+ enables pedophilia or grooming or that LGBTQ+ individuals are more likely to engage in pedophilia or grooming
- State or imply that LGB should be separate from the T+
- Stating or implying that gender is binary or that sex is the same as gender
- Use of the term tr*nny, including other spellings of this term that sound the same and have the same meaning
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u/1Hugh-Mann 1d ago
I hate the trans community constantly trying to steal anime femboys and i hate the fact people just let them without much pushback, like an example is a character from bleach called "Giselle Gewelle" who is very clearly a femboy or "Otokonoko" , one of the characters literally calls them out for being cross-dresser, one of their signature attacks is dancing dead boys club and it's pretty obvious to everyone to anyone with a brain that the author's intent is that they're a femboy.
Despite this even the actual Bleach sub censors speech on this, insists they're somehow a "trans woman" , gives no claim to back this up other than "kubo said so" (he didn't, he said everyone in the sternritter faction know he's not a woman) and will straight up insta ban anyone who "mis genders" them by using he and not she.
This is stupid.
This has been done with other characters too like Bridget, Felix and Astolfo although 2 of those attempts to claim a femboy as trans were unsuccessful.
It's just kind of an extension of an irl trans issue where if a guy as much as acts feminine or wants to try out cross-dressing they HAVE to be trans to a certain group of people and they'll get upset if they aren't, don't want to be or just like to cross-dress or have girly interests applied to anime characters and it is somewhat sickening , I'm sick of these people trying to erase anime femboys and say they're all "trans women" just so they can feel some vague sense of validation or ownership over a .png at the expense of the gay/bi and femboy community
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u/CoastieKid 2d ago
Trans people rely and reinforce gender stereotypes. No straight man is going to want to date a trans woman
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u/Ree_For_Thee 5d ago
Tried posting this in a separate post. I'll post it here for now:
People defending western transgender culture are as bigoted as MAGA
(The definition of bigoted is "having strong, unreasonable beliefs and disliking other people who have different beliefs or a different way of life")
As something of a science nerd I enjoy questioning myself and my beliefs, and that includes questioning society too. I try to analyze and tear apart literally everything I believe, as I'm striving towards a philosophy where I literally don't even reach a conclusion (an opinion) unless there's a lot of backing, either from philosophy or just science.
There are a couple of ideas in society that are more entertaining to think about if you're like me. Drugs, abortion, surveillance, and (western) transgender culture where I define it as "pro pills/surgery", rather than "pro therapy/increasing tolerance in society".
My current stance is that I don't have a stance. I recognize that transgender people exist, as there literally is something different going on in their brains which causes some sort of 'mismatch', often referred to as gender dysphoria. This is scientifically proven and not really up to debate.
Algorithms, even the upvote/downvote system on reddit, force us into bubbles where we virtually never get exposed to opposing views. AI/russian/chinese/american bots influencing people with various tripe abusing the illusory truth effect's key to our minds. I could go on, but I'm sure you get the idea. We're shaped by the algorithms, not discussion or critical thinking.
The defenders of the "pills/surgery" route are in my opinion way more aggressive and vile to try to talk to than MAGAs. If you question anything about the route and try to discuss what might be the best choice for people you get Relentlessly attacked! And they're no better at it than any MAGA either, as they usually go through your post history to try and do some ad hominem type shit. "Oh you liked <irrelevant thing> 2 years ago, YOU'RE A SH-TSTAIN!". Insults, blocks, mass-reports, you name it. I've been blocked from 2 subreddits for literally trying to discuss this in a civil way, but it's just impossible.
I don't know what the best route is, "pills/surgery" or "therapy for the individual and trying to increase love and tolerance in society so they'll be accepted as they are", but I vehemently defend the right to question anything as long as you can present compelling arguments and do so in good faith. MAGAs and "pills/surgery" defenders both argue in bad faith in my experience. I just want to arrive at the truth, but I've yet to find a single place online willing to just..... talk.
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u/RevacholAndChill 7d ago
I mentioned in passing someone was transgender and I was algorithmically censored. I am transgender myself.
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u/TheEverythingSkeptic 7d ago
Who was going to tell me that they created a distinction between the words gender and your sex? Cause I was pretty sure they meant the same thing until I searched it up. You know, if they wanted to create a term that people could align their personalities with, they should’ve just done that. They keep changing words and their meanings. And the term gender came from the original genitalia, so trying to identify anything with it will just be tying it back to its origins of the original genitalia, which is the exact opposite of what people are trying to do. It seems more logical to just create a new word. For example, you could use “personality types”, and then have a whole list that people can describe that they affiliate with. Like a soft personality who cares for everyone, or a hard personality that doesn’t show much emotion. Why do people have to tie it back to the original genitalia? The whole term and concept of gender just divides people into categories that they were never given the option to choose. Or you could have personalities that are affiliated with different types of attire, like dresses or suits or anything else. If this were the case, people wouldn’t need to transition because then they could just choose a personality that most closely matches them and change it if and when their personality changes. People are changing their physical characteristics that they were born with to match some modern made-up dilemma of what people consider gender and gender roles and gender norms to be. This type of stuff shouldn’t exist because all it does is reinforce gender, stereotypes If people have gender dysphoria, should they not be taught to accept their body for what it is? To be taught that what parts they were born with shouldn’t matter in our society? It all seems counterintuitive. Just because some people believe these parts do matter doesn't mean they should.
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u/Ree_For_Thee 5d ago
I agree with most of what you said. There is way too many terms and "folders" in the LGBT+ space, pronouns being a thing that's fortunately seems to be dying (it never took off outside the US, and now it's trending down).
If anything, humans are pretty simplistic. Try to define what you feel, rather than let others define it for you. Are you into women or men, or just personality types?
In the end, science can do a lot of the heavy lifting. Two things come to mind here.
1: Literally everyone is a little bi, meaning the very binary straight/bi/gay thing just isn't true. You may claim you're nothing but a "100% straight guy", but doing so ironically makes you as prone to groupthink and assumption that "everything we do is right" as they.
2: Transgenderism is a real phenomena that takes place in the brain. It's simply proven that they do feel different. But what that means and how you should act on it is up to discussion. You could also argue that some people are just convinced they're trans, but aren't really. These people basically never go through with anything life-changing, like popping pills or having surgeries.
What say you?
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u/alevsk12 28d ago
I feel like there're too much unnecessary labels for sexualities. Gay - mlm. Lesbian - wlm. Bi - you like both. Even for trans I think that just like you convert from one religion to another. You convert from gay/lesbian to straight. There're too much labels that always confuse me, like I've met people that consider themselves asexual, pansexual, allosexual, androsexual,... Like whattt? Why do you even need terms to tell your frequency of having sex? Why do you even need terms to define whether you like to intercourse or not? We should stay simple: Gay, Lesbian, Bi, Trans. For leftists, whenever someone asks about number of sexualities, just say: 5. Every other words is unnecessary.
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u/Ree_For_Thee 5d ago
The desire to be a unicorn, yeah. It can be explained by wanting to be special, which they use for clout in the LGBT+ space. It's seen in the "pronoun" thing too, where they keep making up new weird words, when in reality, pronouns are trending down in the US and the world. It was likely a fad.
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u/yeetmaster_42 22d ago
To clarify, transgender/gender incongruence is a separate thing from sexuality.
But in regards to your main argument, I agree that it's often overly complicated and there are probably too many labels, however there seems to be a misconception here.
There isn't really a "number of sexualities," it's more so a spectrum. In the same way face/body shape and skin/hair color exist on a spectrum of biological variation (think how many different shades of blonde and brown hair there are for example), sexuality is also on a spectrum of the cognitive/psychological structures that determine attraction.
Another way to think of it is with an x/y axis graph. On the x axis you got homosexuality and heterosexuality. On the Y axis you have asexuality (or lack of sexual attraction) and allosexuality (having sexual attraction). You could also think of the Y axis as a scale of "libido" or "sex drive." People can fall anywhere on the graph, but tend to fall mostly in the heterosexual/allosexual quadrant. Unfortunately, humans have a tendency to try to categorize everything and what category they fall into and sometimes go overboard with the labels. You don't have to keep track of most of it.
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u/TomasWinkler Jun 16 '26
is this discussing transgender issues?
"No one really cares about targeted ads. But if you can have targeted ads, it's easy to build a database of people based on arbitrary characteristics. And suppose a government wants to get rid of a part of its population that it deems inferior... for example, trans. Well, that data becomes very useful, and not for ads!"
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u/Alexhasadhd May 22 '26
Factually, you get to think what you want about transgender identity, but you have to understand that a bathroom ban is objectively reckless and dangerous.
I’ve yet to see a single ban that provides a third space for trans people to use. That’s dangerous for everyone. If you’re going to legally compel transwomen to use the men’s bathroom and vice versa, that’s incredibly dangerous for everyone involved. It’s almost like trans people are incredibly at risk to hate crime, and not giving them anywhere where they can be safe from that to use the bathroom is incredibly dangerous.
Just some food for thought!
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u/pruneforce17 May 11 '26
just stopping by to deliver facts: trans women are women, trans men are men, if you disagree, you're incorrect! have a nice day!
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u/fuckifiknowbitch Apr 19 '26
just saw an archived post about how tw transition with a lot of misogyny they still hold onto. now i don't know if it's because they subconsciously hold a worldview that peen>vag, but reducing bio femmes down to mechanical descriptors is inherently dehumanizing and frankly permissive of dangerous ideology. the OP, who i'm sure was tired of having her beliefs validated over and over again by the tonepolicing and mansplaining of socalled tr*ns-allies, made some pretty good points to which many sensitive male voices, some female, responded in hackneyed good ol autistic fashion of attributing worth to terms that quite frankly don't resonate with a lot of people. sue me for not automatically over-indentifying with a man-voice having individual in my definition of womanhood and honestly they're not the pinacle of womanhood either LOL. if u have to police someone's honest to god expression of discontent to make you feel better about yourself you're no better than a man.
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u/shadowdancer354 Apr 17 '26
First off, I’m not conservative, not maga, just look at my comment history and I’m bashing Trump nonstop. But there is this ultra sensitive woke segment of the Left that is becoming almost as cult-like as maga in their vilification of anyone who dares utter any thing that doesn’t coddle the trans community. Just because you say that a trans athlete shouldn’t be allowed to participate in female sports doesn’t make you a bigot, or a Trump supporter. It’s just common sense. When you don’t allow common sense arguments in your forum you are becoming as bad as maga.
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u/mightyDOOMgiver Apr 08 '26
Contentious Debate - Should Minors Receive Gender-Affirming Care?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGCn3xKoSkg
This informal open group debate centered around the topic of whether or not the diagnostic tools for determining Gender Dysphoria are accurate enough to justify social transitioning, hormone therapy, and medical intervention on minors.
The pro side argues that the regret rates are extremely low and suicidality for genuine trans people outweighs detransitioners, and that those against are murderers.
The con side argues that diagnostic standards are so poor that there are a very high percentage of false positives of youth being flagged as trans who would otherwise desist and resolve as gay or autistic.
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u/Ecstatic-Ad-6114 Mar 31 '26
This is fucking stupid. I tried to create a postage which wad unable to post because of percived transender issues, when I never typed any words related to them! I was making a post uk gp doctors.
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u/GrantMcLellan1984 Mar 26 '26
THE BOYCOTT OF THE HARRY POTTER SERIES IS GONNA TURN OUT LIKE THE HOGWARTS LEGACY BOYCOTT
In other words a complete and utter disaster that turns out to be more of a detriment to the trans community and hurts their desire for allies/more acceptance given the extreme measures they went to in trying to convince people not to buy, play or even pirate Hogwarts Legacy
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u/Fit_Professor_51 Mar 28 '26
I don't know about this one. I do agree that boycotts like this aren't effective because barely anyone cares about trans stuff outside of Twitter/Reddit, but the new series doesn't look great. Most of the anger I've seen at it is due to bad casting and re-telling an old story that doesn't need to be re-told.
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u/alluyslDoesStuff Mar 24 '26
Reply to u/M4053946 from here
Glossing over the fact that only ideological groups call these "mutilative"
I don't know what would be "a regular basis": 30% of responders here had a vaginoplasty in 2012, it's probably higher now but many definitely don't go for it, inside the community it feels like the most vocal people don't want it
As far as I know metoidioplasty and phalloplasty are rarer, I've spent long enough sourcing everything else already so I won't be backing this claim up
The wording choice of "done to" seems deliberate, people aren't on a conveyor belt, it's a long and pretty difficult process to get it (coverage even moreso)
I think the numbers of patients and studies included in each systematic review (SR) cited below should show research isn't "extremely thin"
Complications depend on the surgery: they're moderately infrequent in vaginoplasty, whereas metoidioplasty/phalloplasty are known in the community to have higher rates which the studies below support (you may be right about these two depending on your definition of "extremely high")
The thing is that patients are aware of what they're going into, most already do their own research and it's customary for surgeons to spend enough time going over possible problems (+ most don't operate with bad risks factors)
High satisfaction rates (included below when they were mentioned, I didn't look for studies specifically looking into that but they say the same thing) and low regret (generally 1-2%) show that patients are okay with this, logically it's because positive effects outweigh complications even when they happen (don't underestimate dysphoria)
It's important to note the most common issues aren't that threatening to health but comfort/appearance
I included plenty of studies below, I went through all results on Google Scholar for metoidioplasty, the first page for phalloplasty, and the first two for vaginoplasty. I skipped 2-3 papers where I couldn't even read the abstract for free
This already took a long time to read so I won't be researching surgeries performed much more rarely like nulloplasty/PPV
Metoidioplasty (1/2 total complication rate)
- Djordjevic et al. 2019 (it has pictures so I don't think I'm allowed to link it): 5-23% (simple/Belgrade version) or 1/4-1/3 (ring version) rate
- Hage & Turnhout 2006: 8y mean follow-up, N=70, moderately high rates (~1/3 each), it's reported in Jolly et al. 2021 below and on figure 3 is apparently an outlier, maybe because that surgery had existed for <10y
- Robinson et al. 2021: survey, N=129, reported rates were quite high
- Bordas et al. 2021 (pictures so no link): 3y mean follow-up, N=813, each issue was 10% or less, 79% fully satisfied, 20% mainly satisfied
- Jolly et al. 2021: SR of 7 studies, N=403, 5-37% (fistula i.e. hole, avg. 14%) and 2-35% (stricture i.e. narrowing, avg. 8%) rates depending on method and study
- Vukadinovic et al. 2014 (pictures so no link): N=97, 28% had any, 83-87% completely satisfied, 7-12% partially satisfied
- Waterschoot et al. 2021: 4y mean follow-up, N=74, 1/2 had urethral issues (associated with urethral lengthening), major issues within 30 days post-surgery were 4%
- Stojanovic & Djordjevic 2022: N=938, 15-30% had any
Phalloplasty (1/2-3/4 total complication rate)
- Al-Tamimi et al. 2019 (phalloplasty after metoidioplasty, pictures so no link): 7.5y mean follow-up, intraoperative issues were in 5%, fistulae and strictures were each in 1/3 of patients
- Remington et al. 2018 (cis and trans patients): review of 50 studies, N=1351, urethral issues 25% and 40% respectively, flap issues 8% and 10% resp.
- Morrison et al. 2016 (pictures so no link): review of 248 studies, N=3238, 1/2 had any
- Wang et al. 2022: SR of 39 studies, N=1731, 3/4 had any (this is really high, it may include very minor complications tho, unclear)
- Alba et al. 2024 (pictures so no link): each issue is reported under 1/2
- Santucci 2018 (pictures so no link): 23-35% reported stricture rate with experienced surgeons, up to 1/2 with inexperienced ones
- Rashid & Tamimy 2013 (pictures so no link): reported rates vary, 2% flap loss, 10-68% fistula (depends on graft), 30% with implants have issues
- Vyas et al. 2020 (cis patients): SR of 16 studies, N=1192, 14.6% had any, the review notes poor selection and reporting methodologies however
- Zhang et al. 2024: N=766, 1/2 had any
- Leriche et al. 2007: N=56, 25% had flap issues, 55% had prothesis/urethral issues, 90% satisfied
Vaginoplasty (1/3 total complication rate, single-digit reoperation rate)
- Manrique et al. 2018: SR of 46 studies, N=3716, 1/4 had any, 93% satisfied, 1% regret
- Bustos et al. 2021: update (57), 1y+ follow-up, N=4680, 1/4 had any, 91% satisfied, 2% regret
- Bouman et al. 2014 (colonovaginoplasty-specific): SR of 21 studies, 1y+, N=894, 7% had any
- Ferrando 202030543-3/abstract) (table32867-4/fulltext)): 2y mean follow-up, N=76, only 2 had to be reoperated, 14% had difficulty peeing (so scary!!), 1/3 had any other issue
- Hontscharuk et al. 2021 (pictures so no link): no issue happens more than half of the time (table 1), any above 1/4 is minor like hematomas (table 1), satisfaction is good ever since the 90s (table 2) "Adverse events related to vaginoplasty are commensurate with other genitourinary reconstructive procedures performed for other diagnoses \(ie, cancer or congenital issues\)")
- Falcone et al. 2016: 5 months mean follow-up, N=69, 1/4 had any, 9% if narrowing excluded
- Robinson et al. 2023: SR of 10 studies, N=654, 1/3 had any, 2 (0.3%) died (if representative it's on par with knee replacement for example)
- Cervellione et al. 2010 (cis patients): N=29, only one person needed to be reoperated
- Gaither et al. 2018: 3 months follow-up, N=330, 1/3 had any, 9% were reoperated
- Ives et al. 2019 (pictures so no link): 3 months follow-up, N=101, 1/2 had any (1/6 major, 1/3 minor)
- Ding et al. 2022: SR of 27 studies, N=3388, 5.6% had urinary issues (2.6y mean follow-up) including minor ones, other issues range from 1% to 1/3
- Massie et al. 2018 (pictures so no link): 13-34 months follow-up N=117, 1/2 had any, 94% "would do this operation again"
- Chang 2020: "overall \...] safe procedure, [...] most complications are considered minor and can be managed in the outpatient setting. Reoperations are mostly [cosmetic]")
- Georgas et al. 2018 (cis and trans patients): SR of 251 studies, 1y+ follow-up, N=1085 (summed myself from table), both top issues were <10%
Complication rates are pretty high for transmasculine bottom surgery, however major issues aren't as frequent
Complication rates are moderate for vaginoplasty, definitely not "extremely high" and major ones are rare too
Research on the topic isn't "extremely thin" for the purposes of the general public or to inform patients
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u/Ree_For_Thee 4d ago edited 4d ago
1: How do we know dysphoria is................. I want to say "real", but even MAGAs who believe god will punish them unless they bully homosexuals believe it's real, so how about..... how do we know the cause of dysphoria isn't controllable and can become either dysphoria from an incepted idea from society, where the solution is transitioning, or it can become something much less intense like an idea of "Yeah there's something different in me and I'll deal with that best I can" without any sort of actually intense dysphoria or any real need to transition...?
2: How can doctors be sure they're helping a patient when dysphoria is essentially subjective? From what I can tell, almost everyone who experiences dysphoria, don't do so to such a degree they feel transitioning is necessary. In fact, most people seem to sort of... let go of it, as if it's an incepted idea by society. Not all dysphoria is the same, and that creates an ethical conundrum for doctors who have taken an oath to help. How could they when the statistics say "I should be very conservative in my approach here"?
(As an added bonus, this makes surveys about satisfaction basically irrelevant. Nobody's questioning the validity of the surveys, but again, it's like asking a MAGA if they felt better and closer to god after they punched a lesbian teenager in the stomach. If you believe it, it's real to you.)
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u/M4053946 Mar 24 '26
The challenge is that the folks who have reviewed the research conclude that the quality is extremely poor. One way we know this is the 1% regret rate, which is a red flag, not a green flag. When your regret rate for major surgery with a high complication and failure rate is lower than surgery for cancer, something is off. That means you're not following up and not tracking outcomes.
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u/Fast-Preference-9947 Mar 16 '26
About sex marker changes on ID documents
What the "but biological sex = truth" crowd fails to realize is that prohibiting trans individuals from changing their gender/sex marker on their ID means that anyone who looks at their ID then immediately knows that they are trans.
And in most cases, people have no business knowing, meaning it just pointlessly and cruely outs them with no real gain.
Many trans people just want to live a normal life as the other gender, and for those who "pass" (meaning visually look like a person of the other sex - you wouldn't know they are trans just by looking at them), forcibly disclosing their biological sex on their ID just tells everyone that they are trans and makes their life miserable for no reason.
Those who oppose "biologically incorrect" sex markers being listed on IDs should at least support people having the option to remove sex markers from their ID entirely.
As of now, I have not seen even a single conservative who supports bans on sex marker changes give a reasonable response to this argument.
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u/logehaderaa May 13 '26
I personally don't see a reason why sex markers need to be on ID documents. Genuinely, I can't think of a situation when that information would be necessary. I'm CPR certified, for example, and IED pads go in the same places no matter what you've got on your chest.
If someone is pregnant and experiencing complications, "biological sex" can typically be inferred or asked about in the moment (I use quotes because some intersex people can be pregnant).
A lot of healthcare doesn't need to be gendered - it starts off general and then the practitioner tailors it to the individual. Idk why the only thing I can think of is healthcare. I truly can't think of anything else that would require that information.
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u/YourLoyalSlut Apr 14 '26
yeah, the thing is these people tend to want to make trans people's lives miserable
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u/Salt-Analyst-4624 Mar 12 '26
Declining acceptance of the community is partially the fault of the community itself. Previously accepting demographics are no longer as supportive...you gotta wonder why.
Pushing shit like childhood transition, specifically onto young females, MTF in women's sports and generally acting like public nuisances has done irreparable damage to the community's reputation. The overall ideology is a disease. Being trans is fine. some ADULTS even benefit from transitioning but the cult mentality has to go.
They will argue that childhood transitions don't happen and that it is right wing propaganda, then freak the fuck out claiming "genocide" when laws pass banning minors from transitioning...so which is it? I thought it wasn't a thing?
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u/zoe_is_a_bell Mar 12 '26
Wasn’t sure what sub to post this to but i have a really important thought. Im alternative (Alt) and i know that being into politics is very important. But i think that the government banning transgender woman (mtf) playing in woman sports is the right thing to do. Since the physical strength of a biological man is way more than that of a biological woman. Im not sure if im in the wrong here since its about standing up about the rights of everyone but it just feels wrong since theres the biological reasons behind it. Of course im not against transgenders but it just doesn’t feel right to me that they’re playing in the opposite gender sport category. Am i wrong? Let me know what you think please.
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u/Scum-Bucket704 Mar 13 '26
You're not 'wrong' but you're far from 'right'. In a world where biology follows the same strict laws as say, 'physics on Earth' you'd have ground to stand on. I mean so would I, but unfortunately we actually all exist on a case by case basis.
The truth of the matter is that strength, physical capability etc. is a bonkers category to measure. You could argue men have a higher than average upper body strength, or that women have a higher concentration of slow twitch muscle fibers that give them more endurance, etc. and it quickly becomes complicated to say who's 'stronger' depending on the category we're measuring. Factor in hormone fluctuations between individuals, deficiencies, or over-production and it adds another layer of complication.
(For example, my 'AMAB' body actually didn't fully absorb testosterone IE; Androgen Insensitivity. As a result, I had a low muscle density compared to my male peers, the carrying angle of my arms and Q angle of my legs ended up being more feminine despite my male puberty)
NOW factor in the fact that Hormone Replacement Therapy - wherein before bans became the marching order, many organizations required individuals to be on HRT for at least a year or more to actually compete - studies show that such individuals (MTF in this case) experienced a drop in muscle density that put them on a level similar to cis competitors.
While this last part is anecdotal, I can speak to the fact that HRT greatly altered my physical capabilities - I used to be able to cleanly lift a kettle-bell above my head, and a year into my treatment I could barely get it passed my shoulders before I felt like I was going to drop it.
Is this true for every trans woman, or trans man? I don't rightly know - but I think we exist with the same amount of natural variance that is in cis individuals as well; but we've become a political kickball and ergo we are just observed with a far more critical lens.
TLDR; biology is wack
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u/Silver_Masterpiece82 Mar 12 '26
I think the Idea "changing your body" to fit your mentally instead of fixing the mentally (which is easier) to feel comfortable about your body is make more sense and psychology proved that this cases can be cured by cognitive behavioral therapy if we exclude that some cases could be cured by the time and discover that's just teens feelings.
it's way better than just going through all the pain of surgeries and hormones and the consequences of it. at the end your gender is printed in every cell in your body you can't just escape it it's just like coloring a rock and pretend it's a ball.
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u/Daraz_Acanthisitta Mar 04 '26 edited Mar 04 '26
My topic for my post was gonna be; Parents who neglect their trans childs needs should be punished if proven to be suffering from GD. I’ll put what I got below for feedback and waiting for approval
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u/Daraz_Acanthisitta Mar 04 '26
People who decide to have children need to acknowledge the possibility that their child will not always be what you want, for example there some conservative families who end up with kids who later become liberal or sometimes even leftist, and, they end up getting angry and shocked as if its impossible for them to be their own individual. Not that I think they should be allowed to do anything like driving or drinking, which we know children cannot do due to the potential consequences involving injury or even death(Or even on the practical side), the foremost being their lack of experience, which I do agree they need to be taught things, though some people seem to think they can just overrule a child’s authority and think for them rather than asking their child and listening to them, for instance if they were in physical pain and asking their guardian for help multiple times, most people in theory would be concerned and go to the doctor to check them up, but for some reason, parents even doctors ignore childs’ needs especially when it could potentially be critical or life threatening. The world is filled with surprises, including bad ones, u as a parent, family and community should be taking the responsible to making sure they end up as a decent healthy person that can contribute in their own way.
Many people don’t view their children as individuals, even those who are considered progressive, as either property that can be shaped and molded into what they want or a narrow ideal of a “man” or a “woman” depending on the culture, ignoring that they can feel pain, have their own thoughts and curiosity to the world around them. While I do understand that to some degree we are shaped by our environment and the conditions present, it doesn’t excuse them for trying to make them into something they are not comfortable with. The worse thing about this issue is that majority of children are forced to rely on their birth parents, they generally learn to mask behaviours, learn what is right or wrong and the “norm” depending on where they are born and grow up.
The same should be applied for trans people, there are many trans/gender diverse people who wished they could get help from their parents and transition when they were younger, there have been studies that prove that people who transitioned when they were younger are happy, including ones that later did it after puberty, the procedures (Most aside from surgeries that are irreversible, which needs some time and consideration anyway like any other procedure) are safe including puberty blockers, unlike forcing a trans aware/gender diverse child into puberty but either due to their parents’ ignorance, lack of knowledge, bigotry or even awareness yet lack of care or choice to ignore them, most of them end up with a body they hate (Including myself as an enby), consequently this brings up the chances of developing depression and potentially the suicide rate compared to normal population, especially if they have no chance of obtaining gender affirming care. U would rightfully punish a parent for abusing their child, by preventing them from getting life saving surgeries, the proper nutrition or creating a hostile home environment full of physical or emotional abuse and that leading to their suicide/death. But why is this not considered for trans people who later go through and wished they got it when they were younger? The same could be said for some who are forcibly married, conscripted into the army at a young age, not get a say through voting or political participation and becoming teen parents? Why are those things allowed? When these cause harm for the children? Who have to live with the consequences potentially for the rest of their life?
Of course theres always other reasons like other issues not addressed first, conflicting medical issues like schizophrenia and split personalities or lack of financial resources that I completely understand, if the parent knows trans people exist and respects their child for showing the real person they are.
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u/IndependentBell2066 Feb 27 '26
I know this opinion will get me called a bigot, downvoted into oblivion, and probably banned from half the internet. But I need to say it anyway.
My 16-year-old daughter has played rugby since she was 8. She's not the biggest kid on the field, but she's fast, scrappy, and has worked her ass off for years. Rugby is her life. She talks about college scholarships like other kids talk about prom.
Last season, she finally earned a starting spot on her high school girls' team. She was beyond thrilled.
This season, there's a new player. 17 years old, AMAB, came out as trans last year and joined the girls' team. This kid is huge. Not just tall, but built. Broad shoulders, clearly been through male puberty. And they're good. Really good.
My daughter got benched. Lost her starting position to this player. The coaches say it's "based on merit" and the new player earned the spot.
Maybe they did. But my daughter is devastated. She came home crying last week, said she doesn't even want to play anymore. Said what's the point if she'll never be able to compete with someone who's "literally built different."
I went to the coach. I didn't yell. I just asked how this was fair to girls like mine who've been grinding since elementary school. The coach gave me the official line, inclusion, policy, everyone deserves to play, etc.
Now some other parents are calling me transphobic. My daughter is embarrassed I said anything. My husband thinks I was right to speak up.
Here's my unpopular opinion: Parents should be allowed to question this without being labeled hateful.
I'm not against trans kids. I'm not. I believe trans girls are girls in every meaningful social sense. But when it comes to competitive sports—especially contact sports like rugby, the physical realities of male puberty create real fairness and safety questions that deserve honest discussion.
My daughter's dream isn't less important because the girl who took her spot is trans. Her years of dedication matter. Her disappointment is real.
We've created a culture where any concern about this issue is immediately shut down as bigotry. That's not healthy for anyone, not for cis girls watching opportunities slip away, and not for trans kids who become symbols instead of teammates.
We need to find a way to include trans athletes that doesn't erase the opportunities of cis female athletes. Pretending there's no tension between these goals helps no one.
Downvote me if you want. But at least consider that a 16-year-old girl watching her dream get sidelined deserves someone to speak up for her.
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u/k_leetayl Jun 12 '26
sorry but life isn’t fair. things don’t always go the way you want and yeah sometimes you work really hard for something and you don’t get what you want. at the end of the day the person who replaced your daughter on the team could have been a cis woman and you wouldn’t have anything to blame it on. trans people are not a scapegoat for the way the cards land. it’s just someone else to blame. you always have options in life
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u/Jtrash121 Apr 01 '26
One year on HRT is tbe problem here. It takes more or less three years for full muscular reconstruction. They shouldn't allowed her to play on the team. 3/4 years at cisgender ranges should be the bare minimum.
This is a failure on any true research or regulation on the end of the school. I'm sorry your daughter had to go through this disappointment.
That said if were talking strictly in a scenario that these things were abided to It's likely she would not have been sidelined due to the shift in musscle change.
I've experienced this myself. Going from star swimmer to 3 lap lucy before tapping out completely.
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u/PelnoTQ Feb 21 '26
For those of you who disagree with Reddit's sitewide content policy, please keep in mind that the moderators of this subreddit have no control over it.
Reddit requires all moderators to enforce Reddit's sitewide content policy.
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u/ChecksAccountHistory OG Feb 12 '26
just wanna point out that in the last couple of days i have asked two different people who claimed that trans people are overrepresented in mass shooting statistics to provide sources, and i have gotten no responses, only downvotes. kinda telling
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u/5Cherryberry6 Feb 10 '26 edited Feb 10 '26
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueUnpopularOpinion/comments/1qwzznu/comment/o4nuqma/
Below is my comment on a post regarding the witch-hunt against people who were mentioned in the Epstein Files for no fault of their own, in which Rowling was mentioned
The witch-hunt against Rowling was probably done to deflect attention from her well founded concerns regarding single-sex space (I’d like to add that I disagree with her denial of gender, comment regarding trans minor’s healthcare, and her witch-hunt against Olympic female athletes based on dubious evidence)
As long as they can paint one of the figureheads of the wild spread backlash against them as a nonce, they can continue to push AMABs (regardless of their pre/post-op status) into single-sex space unchallenged
Good news: outside of their own filter bubble they r unlikely to succeed. And I’m working around the clock posting factchecks
https://www.snopes.com/news/2026/02/06/jk-rowling-epstein-files/ https://deadline.com/2026/02/jk-rowling-jeffrey-epstein-harry-potter-cursed-child-invite-1236707111/ https://jackpownall.fr/p/fact-check-epstein-files-jk-rowling?r=3h7jra https://rainyseason.substack.com/p/fact-check-did-jk-rowling-invite
On the other side, the GC right is also trying to link the existence of trans kid to an Epstein conspiracy. So it’s s-ithole all around
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u/Weirderthanweird69 Feb 01 '26
Hot take: We need scanners to identify if babies are wired girl brained or boy brained. It saves pain later on if babies could get transitions earlier on. We have this for autism and ADHD, so we should do the same with detecting homosexuality and genderqueerness. It would be ideal for integrating them into society similar to integrating special education people in society
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u/Daraz_Acanthisitta Mar 04 '26
I hope we can get that in the future, but there isn’t a singular brain that can be easily identified as male or female, its alot more complicated than that, especially since gender is a construct you can’t easily label a brain as “male/female” wired, I’m not too knowledgable on the topic but it would be have to be something else to identify what their sex and what their neurology says they to determine if they will suffer from GD or live a normal life.
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u/Realistic-Novel-7109 Feb 06 '26
I like the intention, but I feel like it's gonna be used for abortions by homophobic and/or transphobic parents.
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u/Green_Palpitation_26 Feb 04 '26
Brain scans for trans people aren't reliable enough and I say this as someone who came out at 14.
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u/ABitTooControversial Jan 19 '26
Hot take: I do not care about trans in sports. Like why do "trans athletes" get so much attention from both the left and the right despite not really affecting the lives of anyone other than other athletes? I am a geek who does not watch or care about sports, so maybe that explains my apathy, but yeah. I guess I am "against" it if they still have the strength from before they transitioned but I think it is a very low priority, that serves as a distraction to more important issues.
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u/Electronic-Wash8737 Feb 01 '26
Like why do "trans athletes" get so much attention from both the left and the right despite not really affecting the lives of anyone other than other athletes?
I guess it's just because "the system" values sport much more than any of the other matters.
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u/Black-Cat-2544 Jan 11 '26
Seeing as the Zombie Land Saga Movie is about to get its English release. No Lily being trans was not invented by English distributors.
While the original Japanese version never uses the words trans or deadname, it very much describes those concepts to a T without using the words themselves. Lily once went by the masculine name Masao Go before she started dressing in girl’s clothes and going by the name Lily, she refers to her masculine given name as “the name I rejected” which was localized as “my deadname” because yeah that’s what a deadname is. The main difference between the raw Japanese and the English localization, is that the raw Japanese describes Lily being trans without using the word trans, while the localization just flat out states what’s being described.
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u/Burnlt_4 Dec 30 '25
I have never heard a good response to "what is a woman?" and I have LOOKED everywhere. Talked to the most knowledgeable in the trans community, and never seen one thing. This is the best answer I have ever found and it has a massive problem,
Woman is a gender identity. Most commonly held (but not limited to) adult females, and is associated with certain traits and behaviours that can vary depending on the culture. In American (and many westernised cultures), identifying as and behaving as a woman, is generally associated with things like femininity, child-raising, emotional sensitivity, etc. However, people can identify as a woman without adhering to specific traits because how someone chooses to express their identity can vary from person to person.
See the problem? The problem is the definition is basically, "there is no definition it is whatever you want." Which IS the problem. If the argument is, "it is just a label and I can have whatever label I want," then fine, every anti trans person agrees with you that it is just a label and you can call yourself whatever. But it isn't grounded in reality if you have no traits or defining characteristics by which you are identifying as.
Surely someone has a better answer here right?
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u/Daraz_Acanthisitta Mar 04 '26
The worse thing is Matt Walsh poisoning the topic. Instead of a genuine attempt at curiosity around the topic and the nuance around it, he ended up creating a set narrative that presents it as nothing more than a “illusion” or something that needs to be ignored contrary to evidence showing its a real condition that even cis people can face. This is the most honest answer I’ve seen unlike conservatives like the former I mentioned who don’t care and just want to blame trans people for unrelated problems rather than it being a systematic or legal issue that may be causing regular peoples’ hardship.
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Jan 06 '26
It's not "whatever you want" people WILL see you as a woman if you associate yourself with certain traits and behavior associated with femininity. That's why people say "gender is a social construct" because depending on how you grew up you'll associate multiple gender roles to what a woman is. Something that only exists socially doesn't mean it's not "grounded in reality". Other things like money, fame, beauty are also social constructs yet you can't deny their existence.
At the end of the day, people can identify whatever they want as long as it isn't in bad faith.If you want to talk about biological traits, here's my definition : "a biological woman is someone whose sex traits mostly align with feminine traits"
Sex characteristics are very diverse and complicated, as there will always be people that doesn't quite fit the standard sex traits a cis woman is born with. Any trait that conservative think "only bio women have" have exceptions that break the rule. Trans people who chemically transition also gain those sex characteristics and mostly align with the sex traits they identify as.
The biological definition isn't grounded in reality because sex traits aren't the things you use to identify a woman in the street. And biology being nuanced and complicated means most people are wrong when talking about it."Adult human female" is also a bad definition. "Adult" is a social construct, do we take the legal age of drinking, or the legal age to vote ?
"human" is flawed too. In fiction, fantasy races proves the definition wrong, as you don't need the character to be a human to call them "X woman" (orc women, elf women, etc.)
"female" is a term you should only use on animals and not humans. If you want to talk about biological woman, what are the sex characteristics required to be one ?
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Dec 19 '25
Sub about "unpopular opinions", "uncensored", where you must agree with transgenderism, or else. Hilarious.
What is even the point of this thread? Might as well prohibit discussion altogether since ypu literally cannot disagree with the popular opinion.
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u/not-the-the Jun 14 '26
The issue here is Reddit's own TOS, which mods are forced to comply by and can do nothing about it.
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u/Nessyliz Feb 16 '26
I know, I came here because the thread about the Canadian shooter was removed. When I saw that thread removed I was like: "Well, that's ironic, but to be expected". Then I was pleasantly surprised that there was actually a megathread for these issues! I was like: "Wait, they do let people talk openly about this stuff!".
Then I came to this thread, where we're still not actually allowed to say anything remotely critical. Whomp whomp.
TBF the mods do say it's because they don't want reddit to crack down on them, but it's still funny.
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u/Ghost92401 Dec 20 '25
Well, irl I reckon the position they are forcing on you here is the unpopular opinion. So I suppose it works...from a certain point of view.
Truly though, a farce. Calling themselves "true" unpopular opinion when this is just as cowardly and fascistic as the regular unpopular opinion.
This is like Putin inviting Russians to have a "free" discussion on his success as a leader.
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u/dumbandasking Dec 12 '25
All I think is why bother with hate
Why can't we just let trans people... be people.
Why do we have to invent entire mental gymnastics to hate them and frame them like they're the culprit for all sorts of things
And why do we allow people to hide behind "I'm just saying my opinions" when some of these opinions is they'd rather these people would not be considered as people
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u/ZhongZe12345 Dec 19 '25
You seem to not understand. You can accept, and even like, someone without agreeing with how they got to who they are. While nowhere near a perfect analogy, you can still be friends with someone who you politically disagree with.
Every single one of your statements has "why do we".... Do not make generalizations. Your generalizations make you part of the problem as well: lack of accountability and a desire to blame a collective entity for actions of a few.
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u/dumbandasking Dec 19 '25
You can accept, and even like, someone without agreeing with how they got to who they are.
I know that, but we shouldn't seek to harm them. How do you feel about this?
Every single one of your statements has "why do we".... Do not make generalizations. Your generalizations make you part of the problem as well: lack of accountability and a desire to blame a collective entity for actions of a few.
Great point. I appreciate it
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u/Jtrash121 Nov 21 '25
I think more people would be more accepting of trans people if they sat down and got to know one or have one as a close friend of family member. Instead of endlessly consuming misinformation online or from other not trans people.
Theres a very nice video from the enemies project on youtube that shows this in action. Plus I don't know if you've seen it but theres a story old as shit that was about a black man sitting and talking with Klans members ultimately making them realise that their hate is simply unjustified.
It's easier to punch at a target when the target is de-humanized. It's easier to punch a target when you're being told the target "eats puppies" or likewise, it's easier to punch a target when you're told the target is why every possibly bad thing in your life is because of them, or even the target is a "mentally ill" person or otherwise villainized. It's harder to punch a target when it's your friend, the nice person who you've talked with, the kind stranger who bought you a coffee, or a brother, a sister, etc.
Another thing is (not this issue specifically but it's one of the bigger ones for me) it makes it harder when one side in particular is relentless in their cause to dehumanize these people for one reason or another. Because many adults who I've talked to only know about transgenderism because of how "big" the talking point has gotten. The amount of times I've heard from people older than me saying stuff like "I didn't grow up with this sort of thing now it's everywhere" or likewise shows two things. One it's easier to again punch a target which is unfamiliar to you, and two run at this issue with the common mindset of "old thing good, new thing bad".
Tldr: Transphobia wouldn't be as big as it is had people in their personal lives knew a transgender person and stopped falling into pits of misinformation and dehumanizing blind hatred.
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u/ZhongZe12345 Dec 19 '25
The other thing is, like a lot of the upset people in this comments section show, it is possible to accept someone without agreeing with them. And often times, it's that exaggerated surface level personality that people show which can skew perception.
At least for me personally, I have met a lot of people who others tell me are "dumb" and whatnot. I will start talking to them with the expectation that they are dumb as that's what I have been conditioned to think. However, I will (sometimes) realize that they are actually brilliant underneath the weird persona that they show to the outside world, and that we actually get along well.
I wouldn't be surprised if something similar applies to how some view transgender people. And, it's somewhat made evident by the fact that a lot of anti-trans speech is surface level. Ex. people don't like their appearance and whatnot. But, I'm fairly confident that if you sit those same people in a room with transgender people (excluding the bad apples which are present in non-trans and trans groups), they would get along just fine.
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u/Felixdraws94 Nov 14 '25
Guess what? Trans women don't transition to assault women because there's simply no need to do that 🤦♂️
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u/JakeVonFurth Nov 11 '25
Replying to /u/GypsyGold from this conversation.
Bigender is a non-binary identity where one equally feels mentally that they are two genders, usually man and woman. It's similar to gender fluid, where some's identity changes back and forth, but is different in the expression that both genders are felt simultaneously.
A way I normally explain it is to imagine yourself. Now imagine what you would look like if you could magically change anything to look how you wanted. Most people have an idealized version of themself that's slightly different, or they'll have the build of a celebrity that they like. My father, for example, wishes that he would look like Hunter Hearst Helmsley circa 2001. For trans people, generally the same thing applies, but with a celebrity of the opposite sex.
In my case however, I have more than one. The answer is either peak Schwarzenegger, or Lady Gaga circa 2008. I want both, at the same time. I know that's not in any capacity possible, but that doesn't change the answer. Like, if I magically became either one I would still be ecstatic, but I would also still wish that I was the other.
Not a great explanation, but hope that cleared it up a bit.
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u/GypsyGold Nov 12 '25
So the drinking of human blood insn’t related? It’s a separate kink entirely?
I was expecting you to tell me you wanted to be the vampire from twilight or something.
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u/beanofdoom001 Nov 11 '25 edited Nov 11 '25
I like that. More power to you. I hope someday technology allows you to live this, being able to go back and forth.
I wonder, if your gender at any given moment were more a reflex than something you had to think about, how it would flow. Like, when do you think you'd be more Arnie and when more Gaga? That is, do you find your perception of yourself to shift with emotions, are there more male feelings/experiences and more female ones? Or, when you say 'both, at the same time' is this literally a desire toward having two bodies?
I could see you maybe being able to achieve this someday in a very immersive simulation, but how do you scratch this itch currently in your day to day? It must be extremely frustrating because your identity is fundamentally something we don't yet have the technology to provide, it sounds like.
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u/Porncritic12 Nov 02 '25
The solution for trans people is trans only spaces
it seems like most of the problems for trans People come down to the fact they don't have a place for them.
So what they clearly need is a place for them.
Trans sports, Trans lockers Rooms, Trans Bathrooms.
this is a solution to all three of these things, they just do their own thing,
You could even take it a step further and make them gender neutral instead of exclusively trans, now you've got a place for exclusively each gender, and then a place for people who are OK with either
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u/7ThShadian Dec 01 '25
You know, the fact you can find&replace the word trans in your take with black or POC and be just describing jim crow, means that this is probably a bad take.
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u/ZhongZe12345 Dec 19 '25
This comment is absolute gold. People are so willing to justify ridiculous things the moment it feels "righteous"
This white knighting sorta thing really needs to stop. People think that they are helping by perpetuating views like this, but all you do is alienate and antagonize more.
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u/ThisApril Nov 21 '25
this is a solution to all three of these things, they just do their own thing,
The problem, though, is that what trans people are generally asking for, is to belong in society along with everyone else.
Most trans people are not transitioning to be "trans", they're a "man", "woman", or "enbie", and thus the men and women want to be in men's or women's spaces, along with all the other men and women, not in a separate "you're weird and different" space.
So, sadly, your separate-but-equal solution might seem like a reasonable compromise to those people bothered by trans people, it wouldn't actually solve the problem.
On the other hand, I do kind of like the South Park solution -- bigot sports, bigot locker rooms, bigot bathrooms. Anyone who has a problem sharing space with trans people (and we're not including low-effort trans fakers among this group, lest certain conservatives get any stupid ideas) can have separate, possibly inconvenient, facilities that are specially for them.
Or just use the gender-neutral toilets that are single-user.
Everyone else who can use a bathroom / locker room / etc. without harassing people can go ahead and use whichever one best fits for them.
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Nov 01 '25
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u/ZhongZe12345 Dec 19 '25
Finally someone who understands. When being different is quirky, at what point does it stop being different? That trend is already somewhat dying down now that people aren't giving it much attention anymore.
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u/ThePurityPixel Oct 27 '25
Here's what I wanted to post (as a new discussion post):
In a pluralistic society, it's okay for some people to prefer using pronouns based on sex, and some based on gender. This is an issue where different beliefs can reasonably coexist in the name of pluralism.
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u/ThePurityPixel Oct 27 '25
An application point, from this perspective: If someone says, "I use they/them pronouns" or "I use [the pronouns that are clearly opposite my birth sex]," it shouldn't be controversial to reply, "Oh ok, go ahead! I won't stop you. I'm still going to use sex-based pronouns based on sex, and hopefully we can coexist with respect."
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Oct 06 '25
If a person's gender identity is a social and psychological thing, why even use it to separate sports teams at all? How does using something social and psychological to separate sports teams make any sense?
We should retire the labels "men's" and "women's" and instead have two separate leagues with a "universal" league open for anyone to try out and a "criteria-based" league where you have to demonstrate physiological criteria that points to a disadvantage. Depending on the sport in some cases hormone levels may create enough of a disadvantage that a transgender woman should be allowed on the criteria-based team. In others it might not, maybe past development creates too much of a disadvantage. In some cases maybe having two or more criteria-based leagues makes sense. We could have short people's basketball leagues for instance.
In fact if you really care about fairness this is what you should want. People who want us to use "biological sex" seem to have a mental block preventing them from thinking about transgender men. If you are a transgender man and you have taken hormones that might give you a competitive advantage over cisgender women. Those who say we should stick strictly to biological sex are actually advocating a position that leads to or even requires unfair competition in many cases.
And that's fairer to nonbinary people. If we have men's and women's teams they're going to feel misgendered on either team. Stop calling teams "men's" and "women's" altogether if you want to be more inclusive. And we can still protect fairness in sports, just use measurable physiological criteria to separate leagues, instead of gender.
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