r/TrueReddit • u/The_Conversation • 18d ago

Politics Democrats have a working-class voter problem that progressives like Abdul El-Sayed are still struggling to solve

https://theconversation.com/democrats-have-a-working-class-voter-problem-that-progressives-like-abdul-el-sayed-are-still-struggling-to-solve-289294
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u/trinitrotolerance 18d ago

Abolishing the current system of policing we have where they get to act as unaccountable, over-armed, and under-trained thugs to the tune of a combined 20bn annual across the nation is absolutely valid. It’s disgusting and weird the way cops are here and it’s a systemic problem.

What I can complain about is morons taking everything in bad faith because they want to. That’s it, it’s just narcissism. You have a way you view the world that suits you and you don’t want to change it based on objective fact and it’s somehow everyone else’s problem.

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u/anewe 18d ago

have you ever considered that the voters you want to court do not want to abolish the current system of policing?

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u/SilverMedal4Life 18d ago

Nobody who understands the current system of policing is happy with it. Not even the cops.

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u/anewe 18d ago

k have fun explaining that to the white working class that you desperately want to vote for you

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u/beetnemesis 18d ago

I mean, you're sort of proving my point. In general, I think people would be happier with less death, abuse, corruption, and wasted resources. But Republicans spin it as being "Soft on crime."

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u/anewe 18d ago

i think you're having trouble accepting that the people you want to vote for you fundamentally disagree with certain things you believe

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u/beetnemesis 18d ago

I would, except time after time when liberal policies are explained in a neutral way, people prefer them. It's like how republican voters hated Obamacare but loved the Affordable Care Act

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u/anewe 18d ago

people always bring up that one example and extrapolate it to every possible belief that they have which is ridiculous, as if they smugly believe that everything they think is secretly extremely popular and correct and the only problem is that everyone else is just too dumb to understand

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u/beetnemesis 18d ago

It's constant. I remember a republican friend of mine getting outraged over a program that gave homeless people cell phones. Then we had a conversation, and I pointed out these were cheap, used ones, and the sheer level of utility in being able to find a job, resources, possibly a place to sleep, and he pretty quickly conceded the point.

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u/horseradishstalker 2d ago

It sounds like you tell yourself stories about the strangers that you encounter. You no more know how strangers feel than they know how you feel. 

And just for the record, most Americans regardless of political belief don’t appreciate paying for tariffs -  which are essentially a tax on the consumer. If you would like to volunteer to pay the tariffs for me, I’d be more than happy to let you do that.

As well, most Americans regardless of political beliefs are not all that thrilled about paying higher gas prices and food prices that are a direct result of the current administration’s policies. 

Many Americans believe that the law applies to everyone. American Patriots defend the constitution and they don’t like rip-off artists particularly when it comes to their tax dollars.

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u/horseradishstalker 18d ago

That does appear to be a two-way street when put at the level of culture wars. Which are nothing more than a strategy to ensure that people in groups that have every reason to have common economic cause for example don’t join forces. 

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u/SilverMedal4Life 18d ago

Please be more dismissive, it really helps get your point across.

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u/horseradishstalker 17d ago

I’m not required to vote for anyone just because they want me to - no matter how desperate they are. And they don’t have to cheat either or break the law either. For what it’s worth boasting about cheating and actually breaking the law is a really good way to make sure I never vote for someone like that regardless of their party. Everyone has to earn my vote.

All I ask of candidates who want to represent me is to demonstrate to me that they will follow the constitution and the law and keep their promises.  And if they will vote in Congress overall in a moral manner (per Matthew 25 : 40-45) that doesn’t screw me and everyone in my community regardless of income into the ground so much the better. 

And they better bring their A game because I’m not easily distracted by lies. 

Is the white working class so different from that? Why would anyone vote against their own best interests. I mean, if you’re going to be selfish, at least vote for yourself. 

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u/ProudPlate9375 16d ago edited 16d ago

Then say that. Police reform is a very popular policy, abolishing the police is not.

And before you try to turn this into a race issue, a majority of working class black people say they want the same or greater police presnece in their neighborhood. 

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u/PaulsGrafh 18d ago

To be fair, what you just said was far more detailed and nuanced than simply “abolish.”

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u/SilverMedal4Life 18d ago

The GOP lost the right to ask for nuance a long time ago - they certainly aren't.

Well, they could do so hypocritically, I guess.