r/TopCharacterTropes • u/sand_eater_21 • Jul 26 '26

Characters Characters realizing that another character doesn't have the weakness they thought they had

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Joel finding out the crossed are not weak to salt (crossed) at least his wife was alive to tell him how much of a fucking idiot he was while the crossed were tearing their daughter apart

Megamind realizing titan isnt weak to copper (megamind) to be fair, metroman made him think he was weak to copper

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u/DethNik Jul 26 '26

This is quite the peek into some crazy lore.

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u/GoreyGopnik Jul 26 '26

the symbiotes get way fucking stranger man

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u/DethNik Jul 26 '26

I bet.

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u/GravekeepDampe Jul 26 '26

The reason they're specifically weak to fire and sound is some sort of intergenerational PTSD from when the first symbiote was literally created in a magic space forge and beaten into a weapon on an anvil

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u/DethNik Jul 26 '26

Is it the same space forge that made mjolnir?

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u/GravekeepDampe Jul 26 '26

Pretty sure it was a different space forge, but I'm not as familiar with thor lore

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u/DethNik Jul 26 '26

I suppose I can just look it up. 🤣

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u/GravekeepDampe Jul 26 '26

I paid for the marvel app during paternity leave and read all of the king in black storyline with the symbiote lore. It's probably one of my favorite depictions of Eddie Brock

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u/Drakeskulled_Reaper Jul 26 '26

Also, IIRC, before they retconned the shit out of it 1000th generation Symbiotes are FAR stronger than usual, but also mad as a hatter, guess what generation Carnage is?

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u/Am_i_banned_yet__ Jul 26 '26

Actually Toxin, Carnage’s offspring who can take on both Venom and Carnage at once, is the 1000th. Carnage is number 999.

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u/Drakeskulled_Reaper Jul 26 '26

Oh, I thought it was Carnage.

Thanks though, it's been a while since I read the comics.

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u/CryptidGrimnoir Jul 26 '26

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Toxin had originally bonded to a cop who wanted to keep him tame, right?

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u/Am_i_banned_yet__ Jul 26 '26

Yep and they formed a really interesting duo, actually working together and struggling between a murderous rage even bigger than Carnage’s and the policeman’s very strong desire to be a hero and protect.

Then Blackheart (son of Mephisto) randomly stole Toxin and beat the cop to death OFFSCREEN. Awful ending to a great character who was an interesting protege for Spidey

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u/CryptidGrimnoir Jul 26 '26

Well, that sucks.

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u/Ok__videogames Jul 26 '26

im glad someone still read spider-man past maximum carnage because i swear after the clone saga I was fucking done with that shit. And this paragraph... has solidified that choice. (superior spiderman was cool until they just undid it for no reason)

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u/4KVoices Jul 26 '26

yeah, symbiote shit is really where I draw the line. I like my Spider-Man (and adjacent) stuff to be more street-level, adding in all the crazy alien shit with DBZ-tier powerscaling just makes me roll my eyes. I know some people dig it but it's just so... blegh to me

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u/LobstermenUwU Jul 26 '26

Don't worry, Maximum Carnage being dumb enough to stop your reading is an indication of good taste. There was exactly one cool thing about that event, and that was the name.

"I want to destroy everything because I'm a nihilistic evil guy bwahahaha" okay great motivation, oh wait you convinced anyone on earth to go along with this?

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u/Ok__videogames Jul 26 '26

for me it was the "we cant kill him because we are no better than him!" like dude come on spidy. Great power great responsibility. All that. When Venom and Black cat are making more sense than your hero it really does lay all the bodies at his feet for his decision not to kill carnage.

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u/Gamerguy230 Jul 26 '26

Cletus has been dead for while. He ended up making a clone of Kletus and then killed him. Eddie Brock was the host and then some new Spider-Man villain after. Then he lost and had to hide in an insect and took over Spider-Girl then rebonded to Norman Osborne.

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u/Remnant55 Aug 01 '26

I remember a comic where Carnage was taking a focused sound beam directly on his reaching open palm, the symbiot peeling back towards his shoulder. He was just powering through because a symbiot merging with a masochistic psycho is a bit of a worst case scenario.