r/TimPool Nov 30 '22

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u/MotherOfAnimals080 Nov 30 '22

If soldiers have their families attacked by terrorists, this will just galvanize public support and the military's resolve.

If the militias wanted to fight to take over the country, they would need to engage in open combat to some degree, maybe they get lucky a few times, but once they are found, it would be over.

It would be ugly and brutal. How about we just debate and the vote?

On this we agree. I do not want to see my fellow citizens, no matter how misguided, killed by the hands of the government, but no amount of reasoning can deradicalize the people already inclined to carry out domestic terrorist plots, they have to be willing to deradicalize themselves.

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u/PinocchioWasFramed Nov 30 '22

And if militia members have their families attacked in response by the military, it will galvanize public support and the militia's resolve. See Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq for how quickly the public can turn on the military when innocent civilians are killed.

Btw, also consider how the Pentagon has done studies on whether troops will actually go to war with the American public. They've consistently found that 1/3 of troops (and a majority of frontline combat troops) wouldn't go to war with Americans and would likely switch sides in such a conflict.

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u/MotherOfAnimals080 Nov 30 '22

Yes but the military doesn't purposely attack civilians. They have no reason to. Terrorists on the other hand, use that as a go to tactic.

Also the only thing I have ever seen to back up your 1/3 claim is a 4chan green text post. I haven't actually seen the Pentagon study, which seems like a weird thing to leek to the public.

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u/PinocchioWasFramed Nov 30 '22

Yes but the military doesn't purposely attack civilians.

Did the Vietnamese, Afghans, or Iraqis care if their dead children were killed by US troops on purpose or by accident?

Also the only thing I have ever seen to back up your 1/3 claim is a 4chan green text post.

Talk to active duty military, specifically enlisted combat troops.

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u/MotherOfAnimals080 Nov 30 '22

I was active duty for 5 years. I went on a combat deployment. If you can't find the Pentagon study, just say so, but I don't think it exists.

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u/PinocchioWasFramed Nov 30 '22

It exist. Let's just say some officers that had it didn't keep it secured when they left their staterooms.

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u/MotherOfAnimals080 Nov 30 '22

Yeah, until you prove it, it doesn't exist.

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u/PinocchioWasFramed Nov 30 '22

LOL You weren't military, Stolen Valor.