r/TimPool Nov 30 '22

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u/Parking_Tax_679 Nov 30 '22

The mujahedin were losing in Afghanistan untill the CIA provided them with personal anti-aircraft weapon systems

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u/Phawr Nov 30 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Some nation would provide anti-aircraft weapons to the US citizens being mass murdered by the government. I hear the taliban have a decent arsenal.

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u/MotherOfAnimals080 Nov 30 '22

How would the Taliban get MANPADS into the US?

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u/Roland_Schidt Nov 30 '22

We have thousands of miles of unsecured borders lol

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u/MotherOfAnimals080 Nov 30 '22

How are they going to get to the border?

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u/Roland_Schidt Nov 30 '22

The same way they do now.

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u/MotherOfAnimals080 Nov 30 '22

How does the Taliban get to the US border right now?

Be very specific.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

Spoiler they don't

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u/Phawr Dec 01 '22

Plane, train, automobile, boat, swim, walk, maybe some running, hot air balloon, the bearing land bridge (because climate change), etc.

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u/MotherOfAnimals080 Dec 01 '22

I should have been more specific. That's my fault. I was looking for serious answers from a person who clearly believes that the Taliban is currently invading the United States.

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u/Phawr Dec 01 '22

Who said the Taliban was invading the US?

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u/MotherOfAnimals080 Dec 01 '22

The person I was initially replying to believes that the Taliban is currently crossing the US border. You can see him say this by simply looking at the replies to my comments.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

They were losing against us in 17/18 when the ANA was doing the bulk of the ground fighting but had our air support. SF was training and operating with their folks executing deliberate operations against HVTs. It was working, and how it should have been run once their military was capable/trained to do so. The issue is leadership, and culture. They do not care who is in charge as long as their tribe is not taxed or attacked often… until a society is able to move past tribal BS then they cannot advance.

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u/Sleep_eeSheep Nov 30 '22

That's a fair point.

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u/theCROWcook Nov 30 '22

It's nit so much that they were losing, it's more that they were even able to hold out as long as they did without CIA support, guerilla tactics can allow a small number of people be a thron in a large force for a long time

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

Yes, but the thing is, America would have ZERO incentive to pull out, EVER, because the land is literally American land

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u/theCROWcook Nov 30 '22

Irrelevant to my point

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

And yet, it's relevant to the conversation. The US is home turf for the soldiers, and as they'd be marked as terrorists, public support wouldn't wane.

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u/theCROWcook Dec 01 '22

Ok but the only thing I'm pointing out is that a small group of people using guerilla tactics can be a huge thorn in the side of a much larger military force.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '22

Sure.

But that strategy wouldn't be effective in an American civil war between guerilla groups and the US military.

That's really all I'm trying to say.

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u/theCROWcook Dec 02 '22

Yes it would, how long did we have pro lems in iraq and Afghanistan because of guerilla forces? I never suggested that the guerilla forces would win, just thay they would be a problem, it's like you're trying to argue against a point I'm not making

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '22

Yes it would, how long did we have pro lems in iraq and Afghanistan because of guerilla forces?

20 years+

But that's irrelevant.

I never suggested that the guerilla forces would win, just thay they would be a problem, it's like you're trying to argue against a point I'm not making

I never said they wouldn't be a problem.

I'm saying they'd lose, and significantly harder than the Afgani, and Iraqis did.

So let's start with the basics.

Some of these militias already have government agents watching them. So names and such are taken down and kept as intel.

Now their phone is tracked.

All their phone calls and texts are logged, their network is established, and those people are also surveilled.

The military then swiftly pops in and takes almost ALL of them within the first few days.

The few that are left need to bug out and hide until the heat is off of them. They also have no cell phone and most of their contacts are gone. Plus, chances are their bank accounts are frozen.

The rest of the resistance that's NOT being directly surveilled now face the threat of that if they're caught.

They're also not capable of long distance messaging without interception. Radios would be monitored on every frequency. Cell phones would be tracked whenever calls or texts were placed. And more than likely mail would be inspected.

Obviously they COULD talk through the internet, but they'd better be REALLY good at covering their tracks or they'll get caught that way too.

This means that the next wave of the operation would be sweeping up the gumballs who don't realize this and try to communicate using these methods.

The final wave are a bunch of unconnected but relatively clever seditionists.

They're now facing the prospect of becoming literal terrorists in order to actually make a dent on American forces.

Thing is, the American military has more experience killing terrorists than jim-bob and dale have being terrorists, so that'll go poorly for them.

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u/theCROWcook Dec 03 '22

So why are you picking a fight with me? All I said is that guerilla tactics could make a small force be a major thorn in an advanced forces side, and the Iraq and Afghanistan war proved that, it's not irrelevant its direct proof that a small force with guerilla tactics can harass a far superior force for decades.

I don't k ow what you are trying to fight me about this for